Talk:Records of BattleMaster

Old discussion moved to an archive page. --The1exile 23:05, 7 March 2007 (CET)

Overhaul

I have started work on cleaning up this page by removing all records I consider to be redundant, messy, useless or whatever reason. If you have a very good reason for wanting your deleted record back, then post a section here explaining why.

I will continue to try and clean up this page over the next few days. --The1exile 23:05, 7 March 2007 (CET)

Yay! This was desperately needed. It's a good start, but there's still quite a bit of trimming that could be done. For example:

• Most net gold collected for tax (We already have a Gross gold record, why do we need a Net gold record?)
• Most times joined the same realm
• Member of most realms
• Best Recruitment Center (Best is too subjective. Besides, the RCs that would get the record were hand-built by Tom.)
• Highest CS per soldier (this is influenced by too many factors, including unit type and number of soldiers)
• Longest Name (I believe this is a game limitation, anyone with a free character slot could do it)
• Oldest character (just remove the Lich King...)
• Most different positions held by one family
• "Largest outstanding bounty" should be merged with "Largest collected bounty" as just "Largest bounty"
• Almost the entire "Adventurers" tree should be axed. These are completely unverifiable.

I suppose thee are more that I would get rid of, but these would make a good start. The ones I listed above just don't fit the "strange, amazing or curious" criteria. --Indirik 23:18, 7 March 2007 (CET)

Done most of them - I think the Lich King can stay, mostly as a curiousity. --The1exile 13:51, 10 March 2007 (CET)

I would like my record of most consecutive victories in a row back. My reason for wanting it back? its no less valid then any other record and i honestly dont know why it was removed in the first place. having that many victories certinaly fits in all three categories listed for this page "strange, amazing or curious things" Shadow 00:53, 2 April 2007 (CEST)

Most militia in one city

Anacan, shortly before the assault on Anacan in the Lasanar v. Antozan Commonwealth war on the FEI:

21,500CS of militia as of 5/20/07. [Scribe:105329|f1594ec3cc3c91d8] -- Aquitaine

Nice (I checked out the scout report). Will update the record. --The1exile 10:42, 21 May 2007 (CEST)

Most temples in one region

Is a useless record. I know of at least 2 other regions that also have temples of two religions. Why should it be kept, since it doesn't fulfil the requirement of being remarkable, amazing or otherwise noteworthy?

If you can find a region with 3 temples, that would be more interesting. --The1exile 17:32, 4 September 2007 (CEST)

I just put that up so there would be something to beat. Find something to beat it and replace it. That is the point of this page isn't it? --Kag 17:46, 4 September 2007 (CEST)

Not if it has a load of other records tying with it, otherwise that just invites lists of people who met criteria X. --The1exile 20:01, 4 September 2007 (CEST)

If it's not "strange, amazing or curious" then it doesn't belong on the records page. --Indirik 22:40, 4 September 2007 (CEST)

Second Place Records

I agree with Indirik that only the first place record is interesting, but if a record is broken, it is also interesting to see what the previous record was. So, for example, if the second place record is Event A and the first place record is Event B, there is no need to publish Event A; however, if Event A was the first place record until Event B happened, it might be worth mentioning both (along with the date the record was held). But I admit, that is a matter of debate.

However, not all records are clearly defined. For example, "Most Temples of different Religions in one Realm" had one record for 7 temples between 4 religions, and another record is 17 temples for 3 religions. So which is the first place? One had more religions, but the other had more temples. If only the number of religions mattered, than the title of the record would be "Most religions in one realm". But that is a different record. If only the number of temples mattered, than the title of the record would be "Most temples in one realm". But that is also a different record. It is therefore impossible to rank the two records 7 /4 and 17 / 3. If there was a 17/4, than clearly that would "take the cake" knocking out both of the current records, and if there was a 7/3, it wouldn't "make the cut" at all. But those instances don't exist. Therefore, BOTH 7 / 4 AND 17 /3 belong under this title. So I am putting the one that was deleted back.

Why not just remove the ambiguous entry in question? --Bannable 18:23, 10 February 2008 (CET)

Most heroic realm

I'd like to suggest this record be removed, possibly replaced by something along the lines of "Highest Hero:Noble Ratio". --Bannable 18:20, 10 February 2008 (CET)

Sounds like a good plan. "Most Heroic" is a very subjective criteria. --Indirik 03:29, 11 February 2008 (CET)

In the days, more than half the nobles were heroes I believe... -Chénier 12:37, 11 February 2008 (CET)

Perhaps a Records of Each Island?

Sure it's nice to have one huge page dedicated to the whole game, but anyone thought about having a seperate page for each island?

This would probably dilute the record-base too much. People want to see what was the *biggest* monster unit, not what was the biggest monster unit on EC. You'd have to compare multiple pages (7?!) to really find out what the record was. --Indirik 21:59, 11 February 2008 (CET)

Nah, I was thinking we made seperate pages, along with this one. So I guess there'd be 8 record pages (one for each island + this one) --Kag 19:13, 12 February 2008 (CET)

First adventurer on stable

That's a one-time achievement, not a remarkable record that can be broken by someone who does better. Shouldn't be on this page. Medium 21:20, 11 February 2008 (CET)

I'd agree with that.

Raising to nobility

Did not Escent begin career in 2006? 2 years is not a record... Ceorl 09:01, 8 June 2008 (CEST)

Most Regions in a Realm

Maybe we should add a second place to this as I don't think it is possible to get that many regions on a "normal" island. --Athins 17:16, 19 August 2008 (CEST)

I think a lot of things should be moved to an Old Records page since they can't be accomplished anymore with our current system. Thing such as highest amount of troops, gold collection, highest gold held, most CS units etc. That way the current records can reflect the current system instead of having old records that will never be broken. --Vita Family 17:20, 19 August 2008 (CEST)

The gold I agree on, but the troops and CS can still be done. Sulliven had a 300 man infantry unit for the assault on Oligarch just a few months ago. A duke could possibly break the highest CS one to. --Athins 17:30, 19 August 2008 (CEST)

Cagilan Empire on Atamara had 33 regions back in October 2006. Based on the fact that they had something like 200 nobles at the time, I bet they could have filled the estate requirements of those regions, too, if estates had existed back then.

Also, just because something may or not be able to be done anymore, doesn't mean it's not a record. And besides, who will determine what qualifies as "no longer possible"? If it were me, I'd axe a heck of a lot of these records, just on general principle. "Most populated Region"? That's not a record, that's a built-in game stat. "Most Armies"? Ridiculous, anyone with a couple hundred gold could beat that in a second. "Longest Titles"? A lot of this stuff is just people dreaming up new, convoluted categories so they can get their realm, their religion, or their character "into the record books". --Indirik 17:37, 19 August 2008 (CEST)

I just came in when they were about to start giving the regions back to Carelia, and there was only about 160 nobles in CE then. They had more than enough buros though. In the new system, Fontan had about 30 with 180 nobles and had a few nobles still looking for estates. It could very well be done, I think I just didn't convey my meaning right. The war islands we based on destroying the rest of the realms, so obviously when one succeeded they would have a massive amount of regions by default. Where as to do that on a normal island is much more impressive and harder. Comparatively CE having 33 region is much more impressive than Sandalak having 35 since when Sandalak had 35 there was basically no other realms on the continent while CE still had quite a few powerful realms that could knock them down if they choose.

"Most Armies"? I added that, no because I thought the number was amazing, but because I thought the fact that a realm could use that many armies pretty effectively was. On the same line, a duke of a fairly large city could easily break a large number of the records on this page. The duke of say Ibladesh city could easily just recruit 350 archers ,then drop them as militia, for example. If anything the new taxes system makes that much easier. --Athins 18:00, 19 August 2008 (CEST)

If the code has been changed in a particular way that is known to make a particular record no longer possible to achieve, that should, at the very least, be noted with the record in some way. Much as it would be misleading to have the Lich King solely hold the record for "Oldest Character," it is misleading to show Sandalak as having the most regions, as it suggests (to someone joining today, who knows nothing of the former South Islands) that it was done under the regular rules, and ought to be repeatable in the same way. --Anaris 17:47, 20 August 2008 (CEST)

And who is to say that something can't be done under the "regular rules"? Certain obvious things, such as a 30,000 gold tax collection when any current realm is lucky to get 8,000, can probably be written off impossible. But 35 regions? I would think it would be possible again. After all, CE did have 33, and I think Sirion on EC was at something like 27. Anyway, adding qualifications to all of these records is inviting the addition of yet more records, and useless statistics. We'll have three or four different version of records: Old Tax System, New Tax System, New-New Tax Systems, Allegiance System, Duchy System, etc. Or, even worse, we'll have separate records pages for each island. --Indirik 02:54, 21 August 2008 (CEST)

Most Gold on Hand

Hey, I'm all up for leaving it so we can get people adding higher numbers, but for future reference maybe we should stick to exact numbers and dates? --Vita Family 09:14, 9 September 2008 (CEST)

I can give you an exact date if I do some research, but I doubt that's a record, dukes can easily surmount that amount, so I don't see the point. 500 was just ridiculously too small, in my opinion. -Chénier 13:04, 9 September 2008 (CEST)

No doubt many of them can. However, don't expect the truly rich ones to reveal their secrets. ;) --Indirik 15:30, 9 September 2008 (CEST)

Of course it was ridiculously too small, I was restarting the record with the newer tax system and nobody had decided they wanted to be the next person to be easily beat, until you. :) And its bigger than the previous placeholder I had there(60-70 gold I believe). Now if they'd pay attention to the other sections, we could get an actual record perhaps. --Vita Family 16:01, 9 September 2008 (CEST)

Keeping Some 2nd and 3rd Place Records

Various 2nd and 3rd places are kept if they have special significance. I kept CE's record because it wasn't on a war island and had a different dynamic(diplomacy) of retaining its retgions. Third place is significant because of the remarkability of the tie. I admit that its not the best place to store the record, but I see no reason to delete it entirely. Feel free to move it to its own category. Doc and Gregor are within a week of each other and have passed each other up a few times so that remarkable closeness in age should be noted. --Vita Family 12:27, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

largest battle?

should a new version not be added now? number of soldiers... instead of amount of cs? --fodder 07:23, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

You could add that, too, if you want. Either way, it should be taken from the battle report, and the the island-wide "huge battle report". The huge battle reports tend to be too inaccurate. --Indirik 12:48, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Most Heroes Killed in a Single Battle

I really think this should be most /Heroes/ with a second category started for most /nobles/ to take the Fourth Invasion mortality into account.

That is why I left the other records and added a side note (sort of how there is a side note for the most regions since the SEI was a bit different). We could do it either way really. The unfortunate thing is we cannot now tell who on Beluaterra is a hero, as it says everyone is when they are killed in battle. --Athins 18:18, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Forget that, it does make a distinction. I will split the records. --Athins 18:41, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Revision 142695

Why was the entry for this record changed? You don't change the name of a thing just so you can keep your name on a records page. --Bannable 10:52, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean, Joe?

The previous entry WAS still Galen Fury. He found a sage who made him another item so I increased HIS count from 15 to 16 and erase HIS old record. On the Fury Family page there are a total of 18 items of which 16 were NEW unique items obtained by Galen Fury. The other two were not new.

In fact before Galen Fury there was NO entry for previous record holder (record holder being another different adventurer) and it was something I added in to show the difference between Galen and the previous adventurer.

I added 'found' because I took it to mean the total number found and not the total number 'carried' at any one time though now I think 'obtained' would be a better word as they're not found from sages but made.

I don't think we're looking for an entry on the total number CARRIED at any one time as only one item of each type (a maximum of 6 types) can be carried and any extra would have to be found or made WHILE carrying all six types and NEVER selling them or giving them away which is unlikely to happen during the course of daily life and would probably just mean collecting for the sake of having a record - and I'm against reaching for a record just for the sake of a record.

So, I think Most unique items obtained: is a better reflection. Fury 15:45, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

As it has now been about 1 week with no reply I am changing back my character's record to 16. Fury 12:36, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I would agree, "Most Unique Items" is too ambiguous. Found or Obtained would do a good deal in further explaining the record. --Athins 16:55, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Infiltrators

I was wondering what the record is for longest streak of successful Attacks by one Infiltrator.

Perhaps we could add section of Most consecutive attacks without capture and possible sub categories of longest streak of attacks with resulting in ( the different stages of being wounded).

Off-hand, I would say that such records are really not worthy of being added here. Among other things, they are completely unverifiable. --Indirik (talk), Editor (talk) 16:23, 9 January 2011 (CET)

Unique Items

Well, it's been 2 years since discussed but I've finally changed the category to Most Unique Items (obtained) since I now have a new category Most Unique Items (in hand). What can I say? It's been two years and I've changed my mind about records ;) Fury (talk) 18:41, 4 August 2012 (CEST)

Family titles record suggestion

Just a quick query, I now have a family with all four active nobles being Generals all at the same time. I can't recall someone holding all the same government positions on all characters all at the same time. Worth noting in the (rather sparse) family record section?

The same would go for the total simultaneous titles of the same type (No. of Rulerships/Generalships/Banker/Judge etc) Can't be sure for all families ever obviously but I doubt many maxed the full 3/3 or 4/4 noble limit in the same role. --Bramber (talk) 10:22, 27 March 2016 (CEST)

++My family once held 4 different government titles all at the same time. Didn't really bother to put it on this page. It is up to you probably but is there a section for families? ++NVM there is a section for families. You can probably put it there if you want. Nobody is stopping you.

Military Infrastructure

The wiki team discussed the addition of the records for highest stat recruitment centers. In the end it was decided that this should not be a record because of it will simply become a list of maxed out RCs and thus pointless. A record for the highest maximum possible recruits for a realm was suggested as a possibility. --AbstractLogic (talk) 06:21, 28 February 2019 (CET)

--What do you mean by the highest maximum possible recruits? How many recruits one man can command? Or highest RC stats for each realm?

• Max recruits for a realm which is defined by the addition of all RCs maximum available recruits. This information can be found via the recruitment screen and is shown in the "available" column as a fraction, (e.g. 150/200 ; available recruits/maximum capacity.) Either of these numbers could be used. If a realm has three RCs and each are at 150/200 then the realm's maximum recruits would be 450/600. --AbstractLogic (talk) 06:46, 28 February 2019 (CET)