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Hope you do not mind, but I borrowed the DD templates for another paper on the FEI. I thought that best rather then cloning them? Anyway, I had hoped to add couple of new "ticker" types such as "death" (of a realm or a hero?)and "battle", which would be a slighter shade of pink then war and would be used to denote huge battles. I will do so unless I here otherwise from you or some other wiki guru.

Also, on the FEI there have been several major "defections" recently. So far I have been categorizing them as "war", but perhaps a "birth" theme is more appropriate (for the birth of colonies, or realms conceived by defections). Anyway, cheers, and thanks for the templates! --Von neumann 07:01, 3 October 2011 (CEST)

Hey, How exactly do you schedule a page on the wiki for deletion?

--Sarobando 02:13, 18 August 2010

Hey thanks for your help on my project today. I finally got it the way I want it to look but have a small problem with the first three boxes. if yu get a chance please come look at it and see if you have any ideals of how to fix it. check the discussion page fr what i want.

Sorry if I put this in the wrong place on your page.

--Brakus 03:24, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

HiYa - thanks for the help on that fictional map. Here's the moment I'm trying to document, from the timeline:

  • 2006.05.26 - Oligarch: Oligarch loses it's capital, and last city, Oligarch, to Sirion
  • 2006.05.28 - Oligarch: Oligarch loses it's last region, Commonyr, to Fontan. Oligarch is now a lost realm.

So I guess the key map would be the first one from June of 2006. cheers --BenTrem 21:33, 18 April 2008 (CEST)

* Thanks for 20060620 ... it's definitely the most accurate historically. But, having looked at it, I think I'm gonna stick with 20060701 in the timeleline cuz that one shows Fontan having moved south into Perdan territory. Adds something to the drama, that does! huh huh.
* Links in game? you mean by wiki syntax that Tom has rigged messages to read square brackets left and right?! Wow, that's impressive ... thanks for the tip. --BenTrem 00:40, 19 April 2008 (CEST)


    • Thanks for helping get the family pages in the right place - got 6 people to admin for - very confusing lol - thanks again.

I really like your banner in the contest, it's a sunny, cheerful banner. If it doesn't win, would you consider letting others use it for another realm? (I don't have any in mind, I'd just love to see it in game). --PrinceScamp 09:27, 6 September 2007 (CEST)

Sagarmathism Expands

I would just like to say that writing that article is one of the greatest things you could have done to end the EC's peace. It fits perfectly with a letter my character send to the Church of Ibladesh in hopes of sparking a conflict. So, I just wanted to say thank you, and you rule. Fredrich 22:42, 6 September 2007 (CEST)

Unfortunately, I can't find it right now. It might have been deleted already, but I thought messages were saved for a month, not just two weeks. Anyway, the basic idea was that Ubent was attempting to spread its influence through this religion, and that it was done without permission in Caligus and Yssaria. It was almost entirely BS at the time, but thanks to this new temple and your article's bias, it now looks like a reliable source. I hope something happens because of it. Playing a deceiving backstabber in a quiet realm is pretty hard. Fredrich 23:20, 7 September 2007 (CEST)

Preview Button Template

I love this! You're my personal hero for today for adding this subtle reminder to help the less perceptive. ^_^ -- Murakama 01:10, 20 November 2007 (CET)


First of all, thank you for the compliment about my work. Its all "in progress" so I'm never happy with it... and I hope to tie it all together quite soon. Appreciate you saying you like it.

Now, regarding the subpage issue - first let me say this. Please do not move MY pages - I would not presume to move anything from another contributer without discussing it with them in a back and forth - had you asked me about it I could have told you what I'm about to say now, so you can understand that I wasn't flaunting the style guide convention. Let me explain how I had this set up so it can be better understood, because I am trying to work within the style guide while not being held hostage to it.

This is not the first time people have asked me about subpaging. What I do is put the actual article itself in a page that is appropriately named (ie my characters names themselves, rather than the subpage of my family) so the title of the article doesn't look ridiculous (I mean Arylon Family/Fisc for an article name looks absurd - its much more easily read and cleaner looking if the title is the appropriate name).

However, I am sensitive to the style guide, and the necessity to keep all articles streamlined for navigations sake, hyperlinking and what have you to specific subpages based on convention. As such, what I do is point a redirect on the subpage (ie on Arylon Family/Fisc - I have it redirect to Fisc Arylon) - that way anyone who attempts to navigate to any of my pages based on conventions of the style guide, or from links on the game itself will be able to access the article without having to search for it or otherwise get confused... but at the same time I get clean looking articles.

In other words, the subpages actively give you what would be there normally, but they redirect to proper article names. I'm more than a little OCD and seeing Arylon Family/Taran for a character's article name drives me absolutely batty - it would be like going to wikipedia and having an article named Bush Family/George W. It just looks stupid, looks messy and lame and I think makes the article look silly.

But as I said, I understand the reasons the style guide exists - and so I have come up with the redirect subpage technique to make sure the style guide is satisfied, while at the same time I can have article names that don't make me want to tear my hair out. There is nothing about the way I do it that causes problems with navigation or convention - in fact I don't see any issue with it at all. The style guide wants subpages to be navigatable - and they are - they just redirect to proper article titles.

And I might add it also makes the wiki more searchable. Under the subpage organization, if I type in "Fisc Arylon" to the searchbox - I will get search results and have to comb through all the articles that mention my characters name (which is a lot) and find the actual article. If my characters actual article is located under its proper name, and I type in "Fisc Arylon" in the searchbar then I am brought RIGHT to the page I want and don't have to muddle around the search results.

Now it should be noted I only use this style with things I know won't be duplicated (I don't make pages like "Sports" and tie them to specific families, realms, etc) - only do it when I know the article names won't be messing anything up (there will never be a Fisc Arylon article unless I write it for example).

So, to wrap up what I'm saying - in the future please do not move my articles without my consent. I am not ignoring or flaunting the style guide, I'm working within it to make it better (for me). I was in the middle of fixing, updating and creating about 15 different pages, and now that some have been moved, others haven't, and still others are yet to be created, I'm going to have do to extra work to standardize and unify all of the articles under one consistent style.

Thanks for your concern - but please understand that I know what I'm doing when I write wiki pages... I am not flaunting the style guide, I'm working within it to make my articles the best they can be. In the future if you have a concern with how I'm doing something, please just ask me about it before you move my work. You will see that anyone who writes to my accounts discussion page gets a response on THEIR discussion page - so ask and wait for my answer first. Arylon 20:02, 7 March 2008 (CET)

That's the ENTIRE point man. It does NOT break the automatic functions provided by the wiki - if a page points to a subpage and a redirect is present on that page to bounce the article - the functionality is exactly the same. If you are playing battlemaster and you see a link that sayd, "See Characters wiki" the battlemaster link will bring you to Arylon Family/Fisc page. If there is a redirect on that page, it swings you immediately to the article in question. In other words its a simple route - there are no broken links, no "sorry this page doesn't exist" messages - and pardon me for chuckling a bit, no "chaos".
You are arguing with me as though I was leaving orphaned pages sitting there in the wrong spot. That's simply not the case, I had them all routed correctly - except for the brand new ones I just created, and I was just about to make sure those were correctly routed as well.
And as for "chastising you" for moving my pages - you didn't even ASK me. You just up and did it. I think with the amount of time and effort I've put into the pages in question its obvious that I'm not some idiot ignorant of the rules and openly saying "screw it". Quite frankly, I'd love to just say "screw it" because of how unbelievably and obnoxiously serious some people are taking this - its a frigging wiki for a game for god's sake - but you know what? I know that its important to be part of a community here, I respect the other players and contributers to the wiki, and so I made a very firm attempt (successfully I might add) to ensure the spirit of functuality that the wiki style guide was intended to preserve was upheld. You kept mentioning confused users who know how "the system is supposed to work" trying to maybe look for a character of mine by typing in Arylon Family/Fisc but somehow being denied finding the information they are looking fore - when in fact I took steps to ensure JUST THE OPPOSITE, that typing that in brings you to the page you want.
I do find it somewhat amusing that a redirect on "Fisc Arylon", pointing to "Arylon Family/Fisc" is fine - but the reverse - an article housed at "Fisc Arylon" but a redirect present on "Arylon Family/Fisc" is somehow unacceptable. In both cases if you go to either one of those pages you will find the information you are looking for - no broken links, no difficulty in any way shape or form getting the article... and in both instances, two article headings. In other words, there is zero appreciable difference, and the requirements of the style guide - that the information can be accessed by using a consistent style, is satisfied.
I have to ask - exactly what is the real problem here? Contrary to what you just wrote on my page, there is ZERO functionality problem, the subpages are still active, no links from the game battlemaster or within this wiki that point to subpages will somehow result in chaotic confusion, and effectively no appreciable functionality issue is created - so what exactly is the cause of all the nazi like grief over the situation?
Because I do not have the time or energy to fight with people on this subject constantly - I will likely leave the articles where you moved them to - but that doesn't change the fact that this rather absurd need to control the system of this wiki when absolutely no harm, damage or broken functionality was occurring is more than just a little sad. Seriously - think about it REAL HARD for a minute... the reason the style guide exists is not being challenged or argued, and the things it is aiming to accomplish are not only upheld, but being taken SPECIFICALLY into consideration - so ask yourself why it would even be a topic of discussion, let alone a point of contention. Save your animosity for people actually screwing up the wiki by messing with the style guide... people not even taking into consideration the subpage requirement... perhaps they would be better worth your attention. Arylon 22:33, 7 March 2008 (CET)
Template:Title doesn't work - by the way... one of the reasons I don't use it to replace the title.
As I said before, I really have no time, effort or energy to keep fighting with a wiki crusader for justice about this subject - but the least you could do is know what the hell you're talking about. There is no place in the game where any user can *ever* link to a specific character page of yours in an automatic fashion. - What you just said on my user page... yeah, well, not so much. Go to the politics tab, then go to paperwork, and look where it says "personal papers"... you'll find that indeed there is a direct link to not only your family page, but your individual character page. There are links in the game to the wikis for players, families, even regions. So when you say that my efforts in redirecting pages was only in my own interest for "pretty articles" you're wrong - I was making a hard effort to make sure the usage of subpages in the game and wiki infrastructure (including anyone who might not know that an article was listed somewhere and instead just linked to where the character subpage is supposed to be) was upheld correctly, and my locating articles at the actual name of the person, place or thing didn't do any damage to the system. And it didn't.
And "pissing in the community pool"? Good god are you melodramatic. I will say it one last time - no structural damage was done to the system the style guide puts in place, the way I did it is cleaner, allows for a lot less coding while writing articles (and a lot less confusing as well...writing an article that wants to link to Fisc is a lot easier to type out "Fisc Arylon" rather than "Arylon Family/Fisc|Fisc Arylon" - makes coding a LOT simpler, and yet again doesn't hurt the styling system put in place here), and overall looks better, and on top of it all ANY concern about article placement and ability to navigate is of complete and utter non-concern because of subpage redirects.
But congratulations, you've been such an insufferable tightass about it that I will leave the links where you moved them, just out of sheer lack of interest in a fight like this over such a RIDICULOUS subject. Take pride in your "victory" I suppose - but I think deep down you know damn well that I have no malicious intent, I maintained 100% of the functionality the style guide aims for, and in the grand scheme of the game, this wiki, and well... life - you're having a spaz about some REALLY unimportant details. If I were truly "pissing in the community pot" then I'd be orphaning pages, making no attempt to have functional subpages, and I'd be reverting everything you did... none of that was happening, so congratulations - what a champion of the "commons" you are.
Please enjoy the rest of your wiki community vigilante efforts. You won't have to worry about me in the future - but just some advice for OTHERS you encounter in the "community pool" - try ASKING and TALKING it out with a user before messing with their pages... even if they DO make mistakes and they ARE unknowingly messing up the style of their wiki because they don't know any better, just keep in mind that this game, this wiki and life in general is for fun and enjoyment - and it doesn't really mean the end of the world if a few wiki articles are misplaced. And you just might find out that there are some good hearted people out there who are trying to add a lot of cool content and have figured out some creative ways of making sure the style guide still works but that the overall look and feel of articles (and the ease at which links in wikis can be typed and kept track of) is much better. Think about it. Arylon 23:57, 8 March 2008 (CET)


Yeah, no problem man. Arylon 00:04, 29 March 2008 (CET)

Image Use

Hi there; I've been doing a lot of wiki text editing use recently, but haven't used images for ages. The Monster Compendium could use some to illustrate it. You seem like a guy who knows about these things! I understand why its often wrong to post up offsite images, but can I link to images off the wiki? Thanks --Hroppa 22:32, 12 July 2008 (CEST)


Okay, I'm intrigued after having played with it a bit. If it really works the way you say tell me how to make it do that, or atlternatively do a page yourself and explain how you did that and I should be able to replicate it well enough to make it work on others. --Kag 05:19, 14 July 2008 (CEST)

I think we're missing the Labeled Section Transclusion Extension needed for the pages to be included on each lettered page. Otherwise I think I could get this working well enough myself. --Kag 05:33, 14 July 2008 (CEST)

bugtracker, army, fame

I know there's a fame point. What I mean was, I assume there's some sort of stat that has to be achieved to get that point and it's tied to the army.. so disbanding it after simply pausing, will lose whatever progress. hence it might be better for the army to sort of be frozen (ie.. disappear.. but progress kept) whilst character is paused/autopaused.

on the other hand.. perhaps it shouldn't be passed onto a different sponsor at all. upon deletion of character... or whatever it is that make it swap hands now (aside from pausing/autopausing) the army is disbanded. money in warchest goes to taxes perhaps?

a further question would be... what happens if the sponsor switch realm? does he take the army (and boot out all nobles not in the new realm)? it should.. probably. --Fodder 09:04, 18 September 2008 (CEST)

haven't thought of a large battle. was thinking it might be certain number of wins, etc. (hence retaining stats) guess not. --Fodder 22:04, 18 September 2008 (CEST)


Why subpage scrolls and not uniques? Ceorl 17:28, 28 September 2008 (CEST)

Scrolls are not unique. :P Really though, because of that they don't need separate pages. --The1exile 17:45, 28 September 2008 (CEST)

D’Hara/D’Hara Oaths

Thanks for the redirect.. I'm learning still. but should have caught that one.

I would have opted for D'Hara/Oaths, but meh. -Chénier 06:22, 1 October 2008 (CEST)

Most Superior Template

A most superior template would be one with no RC info. That should be scout-only info for us paranoid security freaks. --Vita Family 22:45, 25 November 2008 (CET)

Another thought! Major faiths section would be nice. :P Maybe even minor faiths. Not sure about the last one. --Vita Family 23:48, 25 November 2008 (CET)

Bureaucrat main classes

Bureaucrats also have Courtier as a main class, and apparently no sub-class. VonGenf 09:12, 9 January 2009 (CET)

Parser Functions

We now have Parser Functions available in this Wiki. I think that makes it a lot easier to set up conditional templates like the ones you created. Please check. --Tom 06:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Knight lord match system

You told me on the Discuss list that you know how to use Semantics for my concept of the Knight lord Match system. Do you wish to give the concept a try and help me out? --Vlad 13:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok I've set up a page containing some of my concepts. Please tell me what you think about it. Personally I am not really satisfied yet on some of the features i made up. I will keep brainstorming :P Feel free to add or change what ever you see fit.--Vlad 12:11, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

L/x templates

Can we please discuss these things first? I hate to jump in like this, but before we wildely scatter template uses around, we should have the system set down. As long as it could still change any minute, it really hurts when stuff starts getting built on sandy foundations. --Tom 21:02, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


I've made you a Sysop, aka Wiki Editor. --Tom 14:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Plant 42

Its a page ona RP creation in Norland which we're gonna build on IC.

added editor/reviewer group

I've added you to the editor/reviewer groups. This is required for the new help pages, for which we'll be using the Flagged Revisions extension as quality control. --Tom 10:15, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


Actually, I did not create the redirect. It previously redirected to Avamar (Realm)/Banner, which I thought was non-sense. In general, I find that many search terms that should be common give nonsense results. For example, the first results when you search for "Archers" is York Journal/Issue 23. vonGenf 13:03, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Region Pages

Please, no Categories on the individual region pages. We have all required data in the template, if regions need to go into a "Regions" category (which they don't) or a "Beluaterra" category (which we don't want, either), that should be added to the template, never ever to the individual region page. So when you remove these, please remove both. --Tom 14:25, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Transclusion for Guild additions

You recently said that you could help set up a transclusion for region pages for my guild the Keepers of Lore. That would actually be really appreciated if you could set something up like that for me.

I don't know how it would work, but it sounds like it'd be really interesting. Any help would be gladly accepted. Silverfire 04:01, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of pics

Yes please. User:Ceorl/Template:Picwithcaption is just a test/backup page. Ceorl 14:16, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

The Moot

Thanks for the help. Its been a long time since I did much wiki-editing, and things have progressed a lot since then. I actually do have one question about the ticker. It isn't some kind of automatic update is it? I still manually update it, right? Because I only want news from the southwest to show up, and that would be annoying if I had to take auto-posted news from the whole continent, and cut it down manually, more troublesome than making the ticker pieces myself. Vellos 21:26, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


Take a look at the timeline. I updated year 7 with the new template. It seems to space the lines different for some reason. Don't think it's a big thing, but it's a bit odd. --Athins 01:54, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Yea not worth it. The space is fine. --Athins 03:32, 31 July 2009 (UTC)



I tried to use the same realmbox for Xinhai than Morek had, but it seems the line "|RealmID = 2" only works from 1 to 4 for the four original realms. I ended up using the code from Myern, but it's much more bloated. I heard you designed the realmboxes, is there a way to make one for new realms? Or realms on other islands for that matter?


vonGenf 08:11, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Apparently User:Ceorl figured it out. vonGenf 10:18, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Help Pages (namely Trade)

Hi Indirik.

I find the current Help:Trade page, well, clunky.

I would like to suggest changes to how a specific Help page interfaces with BM. Right now if you're in Command and go to any of the "Trade" related pages, the Help icon there redirects you to either Help: Trade or Help: Caravans. Wouldn't it be better to simply redirect them all to a generalized Help: Trade page that either directly addresses each point/action or can be subpaged for more detail? For example, in the case we have Trade as a primary page which all of the Command (Trade) Help tokens link to, we'd break the page down into:

  • A general description of trade in BM, with links fo trade strategy pages).
  • A section on "Warehouses" (including both the old and new systems).
  • A section on the proposed "Visit Trader Halls".
  • A section on the "Trade Offers".
  • A section on the "Send out caravans".
  • A section on "Stewards".

...and so on. Maybe include the trade sections from the Banker commands as well (those pages were a bit of a fright the first time I read through them) So, in short, link the order of the page up to the pattern listed on the Commands page.

I would figure it's better to have the Help page for these sections address the Traders and Lords who would be more likely to be going to the Help page in the first place.-Baatarsaikhan 22:53, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

If a page in the game links to the inappropriate place on the wiki, you should file a bug report on the bug tracker about it. Only one of the dev team can change those links. If you think that too many places link to the same page, then you can also suggest that new links from in the game be created to new Help pages. As it stands now, I think, all the Help pages are linked from somewhere in game. I don't think we should be creating new Help pages without some IG link to them. Also, the Help page should contain all the basic information someone should need. It should not be subpaged. It should just all be right there. What I would suggest would be to put your thoughts in order on the Discussion page for that particular help page. I think your suggested breakdown could work. Feel free to go ahead and start making the changes, if you want. Your draft won't be shown as the default version of that page until it is approved by an editor. --Indirik (talk), Editor (talk) 02:49, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned Redirects

Hi, I noticed you recently deleted a redirect page. In general, I was wondering what our policy on orphaned pages was, including orphaned redirect pages? I see quite a lot of use for redirect pages that don't have anything pointing to them (I use them all the time on other wikis) if they correspond to a term that people might search on. I'm actually considering adding quite a few orphaned redirect pages, because when searching for terms like "Archers" or "Cohesion" I don't see anything immediately useful. Let me know if this would be at odds with this wiki's policies. -- Corwyn 20:41, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


I feel like an idiot asking this, (couple of years as a wiki admin 5+ years ago) but how the hell do I use the RealmBox template? I'm part of the CE, and our lords and regions are very outdated. Any chance you could give me a quick, "dummies guide to" pointer on how to update that? J.Roberts 04:33, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Hey, this is nothing on your end as far as I know. I believe the issue is just semantic wiki is having trouble updating. Rob will have more information when he wakes up in 6-9 hours or so. --Ethan Lee Vita (Talk), Editor and Community Manager 05:13, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
So, after reading the fix to this, it just occurred to me that this should probably be noted in the docs for the RealmBox. (After I spent who knows how long trying to figure it out... 30 min? An hour? lol) --Andrew 10:08, 7 December 2010 (CET)

Edit war

Will you please point out where I *wasn't* compromising? All along, I've pushed to have both accounts of that era displayed, having learnt long ago that Aarth would not satisfy himself to a neutral account and the urge to add propaganda was stronger than he. -Chénier 21:57, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm more than okay with there having two accounts of it. But as it is, you've locked the page on Aarth's version which he simply deletes any reference to texts he didn't write himself. If you look at the version I was reverting back to, you'll see those are the ones showing both accounts of the story. Simply locking a page without bothering to even look at what's going on is not what I would call "taking care of the situation". I'm more than willing to act in good faith, but time has shown that Aarth isn't. I propose having subpages of the concerned sections, where one would be brought to a page where he choses whether he wants to read the monarchist or the republican version, or to have them both on the same page... Doesn't matter to me, but if you lock it it Aarth's perspective you are protecting his attitude of treating the page as his private property that none can add content or nuances to. -Chénier 03:30, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
If you didn't get it, there was already a lengthy discussion going on. It was going nowhere. -Chénier 15:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Spam account

User:Dorian appears to be nothing more than spam.


can you help me making a template for the the archive? --Vecchioratto 15:43, 12 December 2010 (CET)

here i put some info about Talk:DRBP/Archive the last two line are about the templae... THANKS! --Vecchioratto 20:30, 12 December 2010 (CET)

hi, can you make for me a template like the one used for Ordenstaat/Knights? only with neutral color, and titled like: Archive of the Insegna or something else? with those information:

  • Name
  • Motto
  • Homeregion
  • title hold
  • former title
  • relative

Thanks --Vecchioratto 16:44, 15 December 2010 (CET)

Deleted page: Republic of Barca

Why can I not use the official name of the realm as topic of the realm's page? As ruler, you can set an official name, such as Republic of X. That's why I used an abbreviation as the realm's name, but the official name for the topic of the realm's page. Having Barca as topic of my page, and starting with my first header called 'Republic of Barca' is just corny. So I use it as the topic of the page instead as it also is the official name of the Republic, and had the page called 'Barca' redirect to the right page. I don't see the problem in that. --Roy 15:09, 18 February 2011 (CET)


I guess it goes jumpy as I'm replying from my watchlist, I may accidentally be replying to older versions of the page (though I wasn't under the impression that I was). -Dominic "Chénier" 04:23, 23 February 2011 (CET)

Move pages

How do I move top level pages to subpages?


Please stop with these "Lost realms of ..." categories. They are unnecessary. The improper display of realms on the island pages was caused by your adding the "Realms" category to the "Lost Realms" category page. I have fixed that bug. Now all of your "Lost Realms of ..." edits need to be reverted and those categories deleted. Also, please do not remove the island categories from the region pages. The island categories belong on the region pages.

Before you make extensive changes like this, please discuss them on the forum. --Indirik (talk), Editor (talk) 04:33, 30 March 2014 (CEST)

The category pages were tagged "This article needs to be cleaned up to conform to a higher standard of quality. Specifically, sub-categories need to be cleaned up" for 5 years, and the island pages were a mess before I did anything. I followed the BattleMaster Wiki:Style Guide#Category Guidelines Buffalkill (talk) 07:40, 30 March 2014 (CEST)

Regarding moving realm related articles into a sub folder

Hi! I am sure moving the pages will make them look organized “mentally”. However, I just don’t like the title to be started with “Cathay/”. Frankly speaking, changing these pages won’t make things look more organized. Instead, I have marked all the pages’ category as “Cathay”. So if anyone wants to find out all pages related to Cathay, they can easily do so. Please let me know what’s the real benefits for moving them under the main page, as I don’t think there is any, except “mentally” you feel organized. The strange page title which starts with “Cathay/” makes me “mentally” uncomfortable. --Bofeng (talk)

I'm sorry that you don't like the look of the link at the top of your page. However, the BattleMaster wiki standard as that all pages are subpaged under the main page to which they apply. Subpaging unambiguously links the page to where it belongs, and provides automatic linking back to the root pages. It prevents the possibility of someone else wanting to create a page for their realm having the same name. And if the pages ever need to be moved, it allows them all to be moved in one operation. Let's keep things consistent across all of our pages, and continue with the subpage style that we already use. --Indirik (talk), Editor (talk) 18:38, 5 August 2014 (CEST)

I strongly disagree. I don't understand why each unique item can get a separate page, but a book or a law can't. Look at the neat timeline generated for the list of unique items, they look good because the page title is simple. However, look at the list I generated for the laws; it all comes with a pretitle, which looks awful:

Timeline for unique items looks good because each item is not put as a subpage.

Alternatively, can you please help me fix the wrong title of the laws? I am OK as long as the generated timeline or list does not include the prefix "Cathay/".

--Bofeng (talk)