User talk:J.Roberts

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Please try to use show preview before saving your edits. --Vita Family 07:17, 4 January 2009 (CET)

Why? Is there some sort of edit-limit I am not aware of? The quality of the final product has no bearing on the number of edits to the page. And it is the final product that 95% of users will see. --J.Roberts 15:36, 4 January 2009 (CET)

Multiple edits of the same page fill up logs like recent changes - it's considered more polite to use the preview button rather than edit the same page multiple times, especially is there is no new content. --The1exile 15:47, 4 January 2009 (CET)

Except that they don't. Pulling directly from recent changes:

• 17:32 Atamara/Nazia (5 changes; Page history) [J.Roberts (5×)]

Before I made the 5th edit, it looked like:

• 17:32 Atamara/Nazia (4 changes; Page history) [J.Roberts (4×)]

Changing from "4x" to "5x" doesn't really fill a log, I would assume. Ultimately, my snarky "why" response up above was in lieu of a rant about how it's fairly impolite to chastise someone's editing habits, when the quality of your wiki depends on those edits being made in the first place. --J.Roberts 16:00, 4 January 2009 (CET)

But changing from 1x to 5x over a short period of time(mainly your first two and last two edits) does clutter up the recent changes page. It is nice for others to see what has been changed in fewer edits rather than more. I fully support your editing because it adds more flavor and history to the wiki, something I will always support. --Vita Family 16:56, 4 January 2009 (CET)

Recent changes does not become clogged because of your "4x" display, but because of the standard view, as viewed here: http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u245/The1exile/recentchanges.jpg

Now, we can't make you change your editing habits if you intend to spite us, but we can at least try to convince you that it's simply nicer to do it this way and to try and augment your wiki editing skills with the show preview function. And it's nice to be nice. I also don't think Ethan was trying to chastise you, as he was simply asking (he did not, for example, use the mildly obnoxious template with the red ring around the show preview button). So again - please? Does it really put you to any inconvenience? --The1exile 00:23, 6 January 2009 (CET)

Hey, I like my mildly obnoxious template! :) --Indirik 04:49, 6 January 2009 (CET)

I'm somewhat amazed at the difference between these two views of recent changes:

Why do you choose that format if it irritates you so?

Regardless, these comments show that you have forgotten the purpose of a wiki. I was an admin at a large (several hundred to a few thousand active users) wiki for several years. I spent my time monitoring recent changes, reverting vandalism, and (because it was an open wiki) fighting spambots and serial vandals. I understand what it is like to spend hours monitoring recent changes, and trying to improve a wiki.

But this wiki isn't for you. The purpose of the recent changes log is not to be your source of entertainment. This is not your personal fiefdom to direct at will. The purpose of this wiki is to provide information for EVERYBODY ELSE who comes here looking for it. When those people come looking for info, they won't see the recent changes log. They will see a page filled with information. And that is the reason I edit, and it's supposed to be the reason everyone else edits.

The recent changes log doesn't matter to most of the people who will come here. It's the content that matters. If you've forgotten that, you've lost sight of what a wiki is all about. Saying, "My personal view setup of recent changes and my sensitivity to changes is more important than your edits" is nearly the pinnacle of asinine self-centeredness.

Edits are the fuel which makes a wiki run. If you've lost sight of this, you really need to back off from your wiki obsession a bit. Unless a new user is harming the ACTUAL, VISIBLE CONTENT, let them go. It is their edits (and final versions at that) that the wiki needs to survive. --J.Roberts 01:26, 7 January 2009 (CET)

I know, and I doubt Alex did, meant to give the idea that the changes were more important than the edits. The fact is that most users, as I've dealt with, use the standard view of recent changes, not the javascript version. I only meant to ask you to adjust your editing habits to press show preview before saving your edits so as to cut down on the number of edits one has to view. The amount of content isn't changing, just the amount of edits done to add the content is. --Vita Family 03:13, 7 January 2009 (CET)

RealmBox Template

The problem with the RealmBox templates is a known issue. Actually, the problem isn't with the template itself. It's with the underlying wiki systems: the external data feed and the Semantics. See this discussion for the technical details. Short story: The wiki stores various hidden data when the region pages are edited and saved. The realm page just reads that hidden data and displays it. If a realm page using RealmBox doesn't display the right data, but the region page does, then you need to go to the region page and edit it. You don't even really have to change anything. Just click edit and then save. That will update the region page semantic data. Then you can go back to the realm page and it should be OK. If not, then do an edit/save there, too. Tom is aware of the issue, and we have some plans on how to fix this. But Tom is too RL-busy to do anything with BattleMaster lately. Hopefully soon he can get some time to install an update script to at least run once a week to keep semantic data refreshed. --Indirik (talk), Editor (talk) 15:12, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I'll see what I can do to clean our realm up, knowing that. J.Roberts 01:33, 5 January 2010 (UTC)