Talk:Semantic Wiki

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It would be a good idea for people who post ideas to remove them or clean them up when they are moved to the front page, or we decide they are not appropriate. This page will rapidly get too cluttered with old idea to follow the current discussion. --Indirik 18:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Special Characters in Character Names Breaks Things

Check the Lord's name here: Partora. It breaks the semantic coding. I tried dong a [[has lord::<nowiki>...</nowiki>]], but got an error. --Indirik 16:52, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that character desperately needs renaming. The name wouldn't even be possible anymore today. --Tom 18:34, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Maps Service

Using Service Links we can easily add links to region detail pages and other backlinks into the game (family pages, etc.)

Various Ideas

"member of" should cover family relations. The cool thing is that you can also model actual relations using semantic terms, so "son of" and "father of" works great, as does "brother of". I'll add a category for that. --Tom 06:40, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Maybe a "was member of" for former realms.--Athins 18:41, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
That's an interesting idea, but it would also require further annotations, specifically dates. Anyone know if there's a way to express things like "was a member of X from (date A) until (date B)" ?
I think this could be done using Many-valued properties. --Tom 13:42, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Following that idea(which I like, but could see troubles with), I think we need a had ruler/judge/general/banker/capital etc. function for lost realms or for just former people in those offices. This could apply to lordships as well and begin to collect a database of claims when you view former council members, regions, lords etc. --Vita Family 15:06, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Calculating realm population

OK, I'm calculating population, using this query:

{{#ask: [[part of::Keplerstan]] | ?population | format=sum }}

It works and gets the right answer, but with one problem: it wraps the answer in <p>...</p> tags, like this:

The population of Keplerstan is {{#ask: [[part of::Keplerstan]] | ?population | format = sum }} commoners.

The population of Keplerstan is 999 commoners.

This only seems to affect the "sum" format. The "list" format doesn't do this:

The population of Keplerstan is 999 commoners.

Anyone have any ideas? This is *really* annoying. --Indirik 23:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Looks like being a "feature" of the sum format. --Tom 07:32, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Testing if this is also for the other math functions:
The max population in Keplerstan is 999 commoners.
The min population in Keplerstan is 999 commoners.
The avg population in Keplerstan is 999 commoners.

Region properties

The New Economy appears to assign two major resource types to each region. How about assigning semantic properties for these? That would allow us to easily create a list of all regions that have, for example, stoneworks, or mining. Perhaps: [[has resource:: ... ]]? Maybe we could then even dynamically list the resource types produced by a realm... --Indirik 20:40, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

It's not that simple, but I agree in principle. The thing is that this is not a list of available resources, it expresses something different. Let's wait with that until the system is done. --Tom 18:36, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


I've not done much research into this Semantic wiki stuff, but would adding a Semantic query to Template:Pie (referenced by New Attributes) be appropriate/possible? Something like {{#show: {{PAGENAME}} | ?attributes}} (which, when rendered, would be {{#show: [[November_Family/Calvin]] | ?attributes}} for this character)? --Calvin November t/c on 06:55, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Not worth the effort right now, because it's not certain the new attributes are ever going to go active. --Tom 12:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Articles and News

Should we also put semantics on articles and news? We could use something like "about" or "news date" and it would allow us to do searches on articles across the various newspapers, generate timelines and other interesting stuff. --Tom 21:38, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

That is an interesting idea. An "about/topic/keyword" attribute could be very nice. As to date, is that really a viable option? As far as I know, the timeline only points to the page name on which the property is placed. This means that the date would point to, in the case of the Dwilight Daily, something like "Dwilight Daily/2009/January", and that would be what appears on the timeline. Or can you somehow give a date property a secondary value with an article name? Or do we need to rethink the way newspapers are done? TO be honest, I haven't had a lot of time to investigate timelines. --Indirik 22:35, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, we would probably have to do that. [1] shows how this works, and it does have one page per news. Unfortunately, multi-valued properties can not be used in timelines. But if nothing else works, we can look into the code and check if we can't add something like a pipe trick. --Tom 07:57, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Semantic Properties Generated by Templates From External Data Is Broken

The value of semantic properties inserted by templates are set for a page when the page containing the template is saved.
Usually not a problem unless the template uses external data to choose the semantic properties to insert on the page, if the external data changes the semantic property values does not until the page containing the template is edited and saved again.
This means semantic properties set from, for example Template:RealmBox can be (and in some cases definately are) wrong. The fix is to run a cron job to update the semantic data, (an hour after turn changes would be perfect if the server can handle the load, no reason not to heavily 'nice' the process). -- Wraith0x29a 22:23 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this is a known issue. I've discussed the matter with Tom a few times. He does have a script which can refresh the semantic data. Server load is definitely the issue. Tom is very busy, and hasn't had a lot of time to look at things. From the checking he did get done, he didn't see any good ways to minimize the load from the script he was using. Still, I will pass along the link you have provided, and see if it can be of any use to him or any of the other devs. --Indirik (talk), Editor (talk) 17:52, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Any progress on this or should we add instructions on how to do this manually (edit, add space if no other edit required, save as minor edit.. starting with lowest realm page, duchy page then region page for region data updates)? wraith0x29a