User talk:Habap

Toren party

Sorry but Averyll told me that Averyll is not in this party an doesnt know why she is there...She told me that I can remove her if I want...So stop adding her!! --M2rt 16:45, 21 April 2007 (CEST)

After her public statement, I realized you were not vandalizing and added her back myself. --Lynsey Habap 16:48, 21 April 2007 (CEST)

Sectioning roleplay

YOU ARE AN INCREDIBLE PERSON THANK YOU FOR YOUR AWESOME IDEA FOR SECTIONING THE RP!!! Wow, I was so excited I used caps... I need a life. -Ambeco 11:26, 21 September 2006 (CEST)

Hated RP

I don't really see many people playing to be hated. I know two of my Nobles I play are very "evil" but still seem to recive much love and medals for how it is done. I think most players who play "evil" or "complicated" styles tend to take much care into playing them so that others love them for their downfalls or mistakes. What gets me more then players who play an "evil" Noble, are the ones who assume anything in-game has to do with the player behind the charature. I mean, even in my user=page you wrote somthing along the lines of

"Dont erase this..it helps me understand what you are doing here, I thought at first you were just a bad player"

This sort of thing dosn't impress me. In fact it shows that you tend to judge players for how there charatures act...Meaning, if you didn't read my user page, you would have assumed ME insain not Vatticus. Just don't see how that kind of reasoning helps you.

Im sorry your not clever...as you say. Perhaps you should give people more credit? The way I see it is this...Ive been playing this game for about 5 months now, and I got a heap of medals for fun, roleplaying, and what-not.

When I want to judge a player's worth, I do not take his in-game actions to be his OOC persona...its just alot easyer to get along with people that way. There are people who IN-GAME hate my Nobles...but out of game we have become great buddies who enjoy each other's thoughts and ideas on how to roleplay our hate.

Just a little thought...you can erase this if you please. (this was all OOC and written by Brain Main, not some psycho in-game guy) Vashmere 15:35, 22 November 2006 (CET)

My experience is that most people who play "evil" characters do not play "complicated" characters. Most evil characters are as bland as Saturday morning cartoon villians.

"Evil" characters are supposed to be hated, are they not? So I don't understand any distinction you make between the character being "evil" and being hated.

Of course I judge a player on how he writes and how his character acts. Most people are incapable of playing a "complicated" character or one that is vastly different from themselves. It's a shame you can't understand my reasoning.

My comment was Had I not read it, I would have assumed that the player was unbalanced, not just the character. Note, there is nothing in my comment that says I thought you were a bad player.

Your characters statements were all written in a style that suggested frothing at the mouth. Quite obviously, from reading your user page, I am not the only one who assumed from the roleplays that you were a trouble-maker. I expect you will encounter this in most players. It may be easier for you to get along with people if you realize that the vast majority of people won't separate you from your character and you spend some time OOC explaining things to them.

Please do keep in mind the distinction between caricature and character. Unlike your own "charatures", mine was not a mis-spelling.

I wouldn't erase your comments even if they were offensive. I have spent a good deal of time editing on Wikipedia and even more time as a historian and find that reading a variety of sources is the best way to understand the situation - especially when they are contradictory. When one reads all only praise, it makes you wonder about the rest of the story. --Habap 19:50, 22 November 2006 (CET)

Ok, let's get specific about your other character that I have encountered - Dafayo. Dafayo is thus far simply a caricature of an effeminate artist. His batman, Sphen, was played entirely in the same role, with a sudden, unexplained and unconvincing threat of cold-blooded violence. Since there had been nothing to lead us to expect that, it fell flat. It may have seemed a wonderful idea, and could eventually have worked, but Dafayo ran away. Perhaps the roleplaying by Kradus and Elinda was too overwhelming for you.

RedSpan has recently made very conscious and distinct strides in re-starting it's odd and unique traditions (see Da Goatly Inquisition) in roleplaying (after having nearly become a silent realm). This happened to coincide with Dafayo's visit. Sorry we scared you.

It is also odd that Vatticus, whom we had never heard of in RedSpan despite his time in Abingdon, Carelia and the Cagilan Empire suddenly announced he had long-standing hatred of RedSpan after Dafayo ran away. Do you see the continued confusion of OOC and IC events that seems apparent when researching your in-game efforts? If you can't separate them yourself, how can you expect us to? --Habap 23:06, 22 November 2006 (CET)

Ok Wow..here I am explaining to you why a "clean freak" ran away from a hoard of Redspaners? Dude...he was afraid of being dipped in lard. End of story. Also at that very moment the Primus family (Dafayo sees that family as famous) inviting him to do work in ASI, along with two other famous Nobles...thats big work for the guy who basically invented the concept of "Artisto" as a class.

Secondly, to understand Vatt's sights on this. He can't read first off...so his scribe reads your paper after its sent around from a few nobles, and he gets pissed at what you wrote. He also has hated Redspan's God since he got here. I guess you never read The BB? Well, Vatt kinda worships that book line for line...so I can see why he hates Goat-worship.

Vashmere 01:11, 23 November 2006 (CET)

Well, you certainly don't have to explain it to me. I was simply trying to provide feedback on your roleplaying. I think you need to not take things so personally. --Habap 16:21, 23 November 2006 (CET)

Never heard of The BB. I asked around and no one in my realm has either. What is it? --Habap 16:32, 23 November 2006 (CET)

Search the word "Blackest" and start from there. There are those in your realm who known of the BB, we have two spies there for over three months now. (all OOC) Vashmere 17:22, 23 November 2006 (CET)

Ive heard of something along the lines of the Blakcest Cult. Didnt you starta newspaper of something? Hell bent on destroying Redspan becasue we worship Da One (PBUH)

Ah yes those who desire evil and everything that want destruction. Yet you have failed to destroy us. ScottSabin 17:53, 23 November 2006 (CET)

I wouldnt say the BC was formed to destroy Redspan...lol. It would be a pretty silly cult if they exsisted to kill Redspan alone. No? Vashmere 18:48, 23 November 2006 (CET)

Well, not just redspan but it is on eof the reasons it excists, you mentioned that you enjoyed the way Drachenworld fell, and that Redspan needs to do the same. But you are just hell bent on destuction and heresy. ScottSabin 13:11, 24 November 2006 (CET)

You know, if the BC was anything but a nuisance, we'd have spies in it. Seeing as it is of no consequence, we haven't bothered. I find it comical that you claim to have spies at all. You are a lone man in the wilderness, but you are, of course, welcome to your delusions. You do make me laugh.

I still find nothing on Vatt's "long-standing" hatred of RedSpan. I remained convinced that it is due to Dafayo's humiliation in Sullenport. --Habap 16:18, 24 November 2006 (CET)

Ok Ok, here's the reason you don't get much love. First off, as a player I'm no boy, I'm prolly old enough to be your dad. Second off, you are basically saying I meta-cheat using Vatt to hate Redspan for Dafayo? Yknow thats just a crummy thing to do. Here let me HELP you understand why Vatt hates Redspan. Redspan worships GOATS and GOOD gods. Thats the end. If you think Redspan is the end-all-hate of Vatt's , then you are pretty lost on Vatt's motives. He joined Darka cus they fit his "ideals" in a nation (at lest come close). What the hell would Vatt hate redspan for Dafayo? Dafayo made gold in Redspan (bet you didn't know that) AND he wasn't even accosted in any manner other then a little mud. Dafayo is no fan of the goat lands, but he sure dosnt have a huge hate for them. Its not his style.

Look...in this post you basically are calling me a bad roleplayer who can't seperate my Nobles. Thats pretty ****ed up dude. This is half the reason you recieve the tone from me that you do. Everything you have posted towards me has been boarder line insulting, and the person I am is far from a "nice guy". If there wasn't a line I couldnt cross I would LOVE to accuse you of a few bad-gamer traits. But unlike you, I wont. I simply will say, if you cant find why Vatt (hater of ALL good gods, and dedicated cultist on a mission to destroy atamara's gods) hates Redspan, then its best to say you won't understand anything me and the other cultists are doing. I'm done disscussing this with. Once I am accused of cheating, or just fabricating the drive behind my creations, I tend to get a little pissy. Sorry dude, but Vatt has been a person in my short stories, games and written works for over 25 years of my life. He is one of the very first creations of fiction I ever made as a kid. I am just flaberghasted that you can study his intent over less then 5 posts and then just declare him to be a "cheating" force in my system of play. Yeh..thats grimey. Peace...knuckle head. Vashmere 17:05, 24 November 2006 (CET)

A bit thin-skinned for someone who admits to not caring whether he upsets others, aren't you? If you can't take criticism that was initially intended as constructive, you might be in the wrong business, old man. --Habap 17:55, 24 November 2006 (CET)

It does not surprise me that Dafayo made money in RedSpan. He was welcomed as an interesting roleplay. He abandoned Sullenport in such haste, it was disappointing.

You are correct. Despite having read some of your writings and those of some of your sockpuppets, I don't really understand what your cultists are doing, but I see it as a failure in transmission, not reception.

Oh, and it seems to me by reading comments others have posted that you are the one "getting no love". No one but you seems to have found any of my comments offensive. I must admit to no longer caring about your opinion of me. --Habap 18:04, 24 November 2006 (CET)

Wow. thin skinned? Not at all..just don't want to offend no titans or Tom. Yknow. Anyway...so what you are saying is you don't "understand" what our cultists are doing? (quoting you man), so again you want me to what? Explain? Yes? No? Look dude..the BC has agendas...little missions of evil, they work them secretly. I am sure it matters to you...anyway...yeh. Have fun playing. Vashmere 23:49, 24 November 2006 (CET)

The reason I said that you are thin-skinned is that you take offense easily. It has nothing to do with whether your words are offensive to me or the Titans.

Nope, actually, the BC doesn't concern me. I have no reason to believe that they include anyone besides yourself. Player characters with low prestige and honor really don't get a lot of opportunities to harm other players, so I feel that Dabug has nothing to fear. --Habap 04:49, 25 November 2006 (CET)

Lastly you assuming things, guessing motives, and painting drives for other players is a sure sign that you assume yourself to know more about people's in-game matters then you do. The BC is a small roleplaying device involving a bunch of players who enjoy it. Just because you do not see, know or understand what it (or Vatt) is doing dosent mean there are not people who are well in the middle of a story they have been sharing as other players. Sorry if Vatt hateing Redspan confuses you and you call assuming me to cheat being "constructive"...I find it silly, and I don't even think you ever met me in game? Damn dude. Vashmere 23:53, 24 November 2006 (CET)

What I have been trying to convey is that your roleplaying is amusing, but not always understandable. It appears that it has offended a number of players (not just characters) over the few months you've been playing. While the volume of your writing may be extensive and the duration of your ownership of these characters may be significant, you seem to skip over steps and assume your audience is following along. The bit with Sphen could have been believable if there was some foreshadowing, but there wasn't. Dafayo could have remained and been the voice of cleanliness and foppery in RedSpan, but he didn't. This is what I meant by constructive criticism. Your assumption that I intended to insult you (see above note on thin-skinned) has prevented you from getting anything out of it.

FYI, I was in Sullenport when Dafayo was. I was a bureaucrat and was raising production there. My notes on the repairs were milding amusing and vaguely role-playing. I am not at all surprised you have no memory of that. --Habap 04:49, 25 November 2006 (CET)

On evil characters

Whoa, When I read that section about the RP thing about how "evil" characters are unwise that kind punctured a whole in me. First of all, I take it if you say that then the people who you have played an evil character can't do it properly. An evil character is far more complicated than a normal one because you have to make his personality shine as well as his intentions. Meaning he has to be unique in his traits and characteristics but he still has to adopt an "evil" or "greedy" agenda. That RP section you wrote is terribly wrong and I hope newer players don't start learning of it and make the game boring. -- Shenron 02:22, 9 March 2007

Yes, the "evil" characters I have seen, other than Adrian, have all been simply mean and rude. Any character can be complicated - evil or good - though having an evil character loved despite his faults would be difficult. I've revised my "On Roleplaying" to clarify. --Habap 14:11, 9 March 2007 (CET)

I see what your trying to say. I think you have mainly seen people that show "evil" as just annoying characters. I think characters that are evil like how I play mine, is to roleplay them doing evil deeds but making them actually be polite in letters. This will make a clear distinction between who is evil and who is not and will make it much clearer for new players on how battlemaster works. The main problem with risking playing an evil character that does that, is that there is a lot of new players that will make in character decisions with OOC influence. Such as seeing a roleplay that there character hasn't seen and going "oh that guy's evil" as a characters. Actually wouldn't it be awesome if there was an island for hardcore roleplayers and battlemaster veterans. Not trying to make the newbies feel bad or anything =) -- Shenron 15:14. 9 March 2007 (CET)

I think that one of the islands is for roleplaying - Far East - but there either were or are problems getting it to work. --Habap 15:52, 9 March 2007 (CET)

FYI

Thanks for the info! -Pizarro

Nice Work

Your work on the Redspan Revealer is good! Keep it up. Also, my character in Foda, Doctor Farnsworth wanted to say hi (he's a friendly priest), but was afraid his realm mates would disapprove of greeting someone from Redspan. Farnsworth 00:23, 5 January 2007 (CET)

Yes, with our realms' history, I hadn't expected a particularly friendly welcome. Glad you are enjoying the paper. It's nice to know someone is reading it! --Habap 16:53, 5 January 2007 (CET)

Thanks..

..for the offer, but luckily I've completed all the Lotus Notes courses. I hope I never have to deal with it again :) - LilWolf 23:10, 18 January 2007 (CET)

Thanks also for compliment on newspaper's format.  :) Jezralhm 07:20, 25 January 2007 (CET)

Infobox Military Conflict

I appreciate your effort, but you really don't have to go through all that trouble for little old me. -Pizarro 16:19, 26 January 2007 (CET)

I'm using it to learn about template coding, since I contribute to the english Wikipedia and am a software developer IRL. --Habap 17:35, 26 January 2007 (CET)

Ah, in that case, good luck, even though you are RedSpan scum ;) -Pizarro

LOL! --Habap 17:42, 26 January 2007 (CET)

Got it to work, but no "if" statements to hide blanks or provide spacing for 3 combatants. --Habap 17:59, 26 January 2007 (CET)

That's ok, if there are more than 2 combatants, we just put them on the appropriate side. e.g. "Talerium, Darka, BoM" vs. "RedSpan" ;) There are only two sides in BM battles anyway, so it's no biggie. I'm gonna add the template to the pages I wanted them on, see how good it looks. In any case, thanks for the work, dude! -Pizarro 19:28, 26 January 2007 (CET)

It works like a charm! Just what I was looking for. You can admire your handiwork here: Skirmish in Nazia. Thanks again! -Pizarro 19:54, 26 January 2007 (CET)

I modified your template a bit (don't worry, I made a new page for it), as I like to discuss the weather, formations and other stuff in the preparation/battle sections, and casus belli and territorial changes are a bit obsolete in my opinion, as war = war, battles dont change region ownership and damage to the region will be discussed in the aftermath section of the page. But I couldn't have done it without you! -Pizarro 22:40, 26 January 2007 (CET)

I think you should either copy the Casus belli wikipedia page to here or link to it from this template, as it is there is no Casus belli page even though you link to it in the template. --Bannable 13:20, 23 February 2007 (CET)

Taselak Tribune

No problem mate. Glad to see other active users on wiki. :) -Jezralhm 23:47, 1 February 2007 (CET)

It also startles me to find that two of our characters are actively engaged in combat. - Jezralhm 10:36, 2 February 2007 (CET)

The wounding of LouisJoseph

Wow, Plergoth's newswriter is being a kiss-ass to Fronen!?! Heh... I guess they didn't appreciate my offer to exchange ale while I take short breaks from the bureaucratic work... Not that I mind the publicity. ;) -Chénier 19:04, 2 March 2007 (CET)

OOC: Prior articles did so and you are an enemy of Plergoth.... ;-) --Habap 19:37, 2 March 2007 (CET)

Bah, who says you have to hate your oponents? This conflict is amusing, after all. Though that wound is preventing me from taking care of the clerks and reading my new messages. You better not be looting Gaxano! Well, Plergoth seems to have a fascination about LouisJoseph... Carry on! ;) -Chénier 19:49, 2 March 2007 (CET)