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Fame-o-meter

Available	52
Known	46
Unknown	6
High Score	47

Fame Points are awarded when characters have attained offices, performed certain actions, or achieved certain statuses. Each Fame Point is unique, and will be given only once for each condition fulfilled. Trying to trigger the events with another character will not grant you repeated Fame Points, as it is a family attribute.

Many fame points are also granted after a short delay or on the turns. For example, if you get appointed as a region lord and step down immediately, chances are that you won't get the fame point for holding a local lord position.

While the majority of the Fame Points have been discovered, there are still a few that remain unknown, as Tom wishes to leave it that way. This page outlines all of the known Fame Points. The speculation page on the possible, undiscovered Fame Points is referred to as Lemon Fame. The other page features some stricter tested guesses is referred to as Fame Box.

Offices

(12 known points)

You will get 1 point each for being elected or appointed to any of the 4 council positions (Ruler, General, Judge and Banker). (very small realms do not grant these fame points)
Rulers will also get 4 points on their 10th day (provided the realm has 5 or more regions) and 1 point for the 100th day of consecutive rulership (even one day of interruption will reset the counter).
Being appointed as a Region Lord will get you 1 point, while being appointed Duke will get you 2 points.

Attributes

(10 known points)

Fame is granted for high prestige of individual characters, namely 1 point each for reaching 10, 20, and 40 prestige.
Fame is also granted for high sum of prestige across all characters, namely 1 point each for reaching a sum of 20, 50, and 100 prestige.
Wealthy families can also get 1 point each for reaching 2000 and 5000 gold.
1 point is awarded when any skill reaches 50%.
1 point is awarded when any 3 skills each reach 50%.

Events

(14 known points)

1 point for publishing a book (requires Mentor points)
1 point for acquiring a total of 50 mentor points
1 point for Building a Palace or Moving the Capital
2 points for founding a guild or religious order
1 point for making a Family Investment
3 points for winning a tournament
1 point for hosting a "successful" tournament (note)
1 point for feeding a starving region
3 points for founding a successful religion - found a religion that converts 50% of ten regions

Deaths

(6 known points)

1 point for being killed as a non-hero (usually by execution)
1 point for winning a Duel to the death, only if the loser actually dies
1 point for dying as a hero
3 points for dying as a "legendary" hero (this is a 2nd death, so to get all 4 points, you will have to lose two heroes, one legendary and one non-legendary). The threshold is 200 points based on the following formula: (prestige * 5) + honour.

Other

(2 known point)

1 point - Outcast: five active bans on a single noble and some other unknown condition.
1 point for a character having a bounty of 1050 or more.

Details Lacking

(2 known points)

These are fame points that are known and have been confirmed by Tom, but details are still missing so that they are not included in the list above:

Sponsoring a successful army (must found the army as well, having sponsorship transferred, i.e. death of its sponsor while you are ruler, will not give you the point).
What exactly is a "successful tournament" ?

Hints

Since many players enjoy speculating about the unknown fame points, here are some hints on the unknown Fame Points, from Tom himself:

Only one Fame Point has not yet been collected - all other Fame Points have been earned by at least one, usually many. This one un-discovered Fame Point can be earned in battle.
There is Fame for exceptional skill(s)
Partially discovered: There is a Fame Point (Outcast) that can be gained in the infiltrator career (technically also in others, but Tom doubts anyone but an infiltrator could really pull it off). It's not based on Honour, though. [1]
Some of the recently added Fame is easier for non-addicts to achieve, so some of the lower families will get Fame, too. [2]
There are some exceptions to the above points for adventurer characters

(Note that the above hints predate the 2007/04/25 update to 51 Fame points. Presumably, the brand new point is from a new feature that was added at the same time, and has probably not yet been achieved.)

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-'''[[Lemon Fame 2]]'''
+'''Fame''' Points are awarded when characters have attained offices, performed certain actions, or achieved certain statuses. Each Fame Point is unique, and will be given ''only once'' for each condition fulfilled. Trying to trigger the events with another character will ''not'' grant you repeated Fame Points, as it is a family attribute.
-This page should contain discussions about the Fame page itself, i.e. if anything on there is unclear, badly written, etc.
+Many fame points are also granted after a short delay or on the turns. For example, if you get appointed as a region lord and step down immediately, chances are that you won't get the fame point for holding a local lord position.
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+While the majority of the Fame Points have been discovered, there are still a few that remain unknown, as [[User:Tom|Tom]] wishes to leave it that way. This page outlines all of the known Fame Points. The speculation page on the possible, undiscovered Fame Points is referred to as [[Lemon Fame 2|Lemon Fame]]. The other page features some stricter tested guesses is referred to as [[Fame Box]].
-== Change Notices ==
+===Offices===
-When reading the Fame page, check the history. If anything was changed after my last edit, it may or may not be true. The addition that was added to hero death details, for example, was '''false'''. The number of fame points has nothing to do with the size of the battle the hero dies in.
+(12 known points)
---[[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:02, 21 November 2006 (CET)
-== Old Format ==
+* You will get '''1 point each''' for being elected or appointed to any of the 4 council positions ([[Ruler]], [[General]], [[Judge]] and [[Banker]]). <small>(very small realms do not grant these fame points)</small>
+* Rulers will also get '''4 points''' on their 10th day (provided the realm has 5 or more regions) and '''1 point''' for the 100th day of consecutive rulership (even one day of interruption will reset the counter).
+* Being ''appointed'' as a [[Region_Command|Region Lord]] will get you '''1 point''', while being appointed [[Duke]] will get you '''2 points'''.
-I think the old format is more readable, you can snatch the ideas of the article just in a fast glance, so why replaced it with more plain descriptions?
+===Attributes===
+(10 known points)
-Since this version of MediaWiki seems like not supporting the reference function I decided to use a quite ugly way to mimic it. Not pretty but it does work. This should help organizing those minor details. -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 23:33, 6 December 2006 (CET)
+* Fame is granted for high prestige of individual characters, namely '''1 point each''' for reaching 10, 20, and 40 prestige.
+* Fame is also granted for high sum of prestige across all characters, namely '''1 point each''' for reaching a sum of 20, 50, and 100 prestige.
+* Wealthy families can also get '''1 point each''' for reaching 2000 and 5000 gold.
+* '''1 point''' is awarded when any skill reaches 50%.
+* '''1 point''' is awarded when any 3 skills each reach 50%.
-:The Fame article now takes up more space than before length-wise, leaves a lot of white space to the right and the line breaks that strech only so far across the screen also don't look right. I think this new layout looks far worse than the original I'm afraid.
+===Events===
+(14 known points)
-:I also think those notes at the bottom are largely irrelevant anyway. For example: ''"[1] For being elected or appointed."'' That adds nothing to the page. It's common sense you're writing down there, pointing out the obvious. It's not worth saying. Likewise statements like ''"most of the details are unknown."''' Why does this need to be said? This page is meant to be dealing with '''known''' information about fame. Not unknown. The Fame page isn't a walkthrough guide anyway. Just a point of reference for whether a fame point exists for that task...or not. - [[User:Revan|Revan]]
+* '''1 point''' for publishing a book (requires [[Mentor]] points)
+* '''1 point''' for acquiring a total of 50 mentor points
+* '''1 point''' for Building a [[Palace]] or Moving the [[Capital]]
+* '''2 points''' for founding a [[Guilds|guild]] or religious order
+* '''1 point''' for making a [[Family Investment]]
+* '''3 points''' for winning a tournament
+* '''1 point''' for hosting a "successful" tournament ([[#Details Lacking|note]])
+* '''1 point''' for feeding a starving region
+* '''3 points''' for founding a successful religion - found a religion that converts 50% of ten regions
-::Don't look at me, those you are having problems with are exactly written by Tom. I just play with the format, the content is unchanged. -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 00:01, 7 December 2006 (CET)
-== Format Rollback ==
+===Deaths===
+(6 known points)
-I changed the format for a reason - the old list style was completely unreadable.
+* '''1 point''' for being killed as a non-hero (usually by [[death#Executions|execution]])
+* '''1 point''' for winning a [[Duel]] to the death, only if the loser actually dies
+* '''1 point''' for dying as a hero
+* '''3 points''' for dying as a "legendary" hero (this is a ''2nd'' death, so to get all 4 points, you will have to lose two heroes, one legendary and one non-legendary). The threshold is 200 points based on the following formula: (prestige * 5) + honour.
-Yes, it's probably not perfect, and can be improved. But I'd rather have a total change discussed first, before it's done.
+=== Other ===
+(2 known point)
---[[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:49, 7 December 2006 (CET)
+* '''1 point''' - Outcast: five active bans on a single noble and some other unknown condition.
+* '''1 point''' for a character having a bounty of 1050 or more.
-:Alright, fine. Seems like everyone has his own preference. I'll branch the old style to [[List of Fame|a new entry]]. You should protect this page if you are looking for keeping this page to only yourself. -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 08:12, 7 December 2006 (CET)
+==Details Lacking==
+(2 known points)
-::Yes, everyone has their preferences. Which is why I didn't like the total change without prior discussion. Branching the page is fine, no problem. --[[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:16, 9 December 2006 (CET)
+These are fame points that are known and have been confirmed by Tom, but details are still missing so that they are not included in the list above:
+* Sponsoring a successful army (must found the army as well, having sponsorship transferred, i.e. death of its sponsor while you are ruler, will not give you the point).
+* What exactly is a "successful tournament" ?
-== My Fame Points Don't Add Up ==
+==Hints==
+Since many players enjoy speculating about the unknown fame points, here are some hints on the unknown Fame Points, from Tom himself:
-My character Henri has been Banker and Judge (2 points) and has been a region lord (1 point) and has a prestige of 19 (1 points).  (Although as judge he executed someone and so may have lost prestige because of that so there may be another point there).
+* Only one Fame Point has not yet been collected - all other Fame Points have been earned by at least one, usually many. This one un-discovered Fame Point can be earned in battle.
+* There is Fame for exceptional skill(s)
+* '''Partially discovered''': There is a Fame Point (Outcast) that can be gained in the infiltrator career (technically also in others, but Tom doubts anyone but an infiltrator could really pull it off). It's not based on Honour, though. [http://news.battlemaster.org/pipermail/discuss/2005-April/001348.html]
+* Some of the recently added Fame is easier for non-addicts to achieve, so some of the lower families will get Fame, too. [http://news.battlemaster.org/pipermail/discuss/2006-January/009362.html]
+* There are some exceptions to the above points for adventurer characters
-So that's 4 points for Henri.
+''(Note that the above hints predate the 2007/04/25 update to 51 Fame points.  Presumably, the brand new point is from a new feature that was added at the same time, and has probably not yet been achieved.)
-Geoffrey has 28 prestige for 2 points.
+==See Also==
+* [[Fame Box]]
-And all my characters have a total of 56 prestige (57 if the adventurer counts) which should count for another 2.
+* [[Lemon Fame 2]]
-So that's 8 points altogether, but the Circumflex family only has 7.  So where did I go wrong?
---[[User:Jeffw|Jeffw]] 18:50, 20 December 2006 (CET)
-You can only get a fame point once. You have counted the 10 individual prestige fame point twice. (Or you incorrectly counted the 20 individual prestige as being 2 points, either way.)--[[User:Indirik|Indirik]] 19:38, 20 December 2006 (CET)
-*So the individual prestige points only count for the first of your characters to get them.  That could be made clearer.  --[[User:Jeffw|Jeffw]] 23:36, 20 December 2006 (CET)
-:I would refer you to the very first paragraph on the page: ''Each Fame Point is unique, and will be given only once for each condition fulfilled. <u>Trying to trigger the events with another character will not grant you repeated Fame Points, as it is a family attribute.</u> ''   How much clearer can it get? --[[User:Indirik|Indirik]] 00:15, 21 December 2006 (CET)
-== Clarification ==
-The article states: <i>Region Lords get 1 point, while Dukes get 2 points. This means you can get 3 total for being first lord of a, say rural region <b>and then</b> lord of a city.</i> (Emphasis added)
-What about the other way around? What if someone becomes a duke and <b>then</b> a rural region lord? Is that fame point lost? Forever? --[[User:Maverick|AJ]] 09:31, 4 February 2007 (CET)
-:Nope, I'm pretty sure people have got it in reverse order - it's just very hard to become a duke before a lesser lord :) --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 12:06, 4 February 2007 (CET)
-::With one of my Characters i was Duchess of Joppo City, and then after i stepped down, became Baroness of Suuk - i received 3 fame points. [[User:Crazylozda|Crazylozda]] 19:18, 4 February 2007 (CET)
-== Army Sponsor - Implemented? ==
-Erm, so did Tom say it has been implemented or someone has got that Fame? -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 02:32, 5 February 2007 (CET)
-:If it has been implemented, I still don't have the fame point(s). --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 07:44, 6 February 2007 (CET)
-== Ruler Fame ==
-http://wiki.battlemaster.org/index.php?title=Fame