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Lemon Fame 2

This page should contain discussions about the Fame page itself, i.e. if anything on there is unclear, badly written, etc.

Change Notices

When reading the Fame page, check the history. If anything was changed after my last edit, it may or may not be true. The addition that was added to hero death details, for example, was false. The number of fame points has nothing to do with the size of the battle the hero dies in. --Tom 23:02, 21 November 2006 (CET)

Old Format

I think the old format is more readable, you can snatch the ideas of the article just in a fast glance, so why replaced it with more plain descriptions?

Since this version of MediaWiki seems like not supporting the reference function I decided to use a quite ugly way to mimic it. Not pretty but it does work. This should help organizing those minor details. -- Gsklee 23:33, 6 December 2006 (CET)

The Fame article now takes up more space than before length-wise, leaves a lot of white space to the right and the line breaks that strech only so far across the screen also don't look right. I think this new layout looks far worse than the original I'm afraid.
I also think those notes at the bottom are largely irrelevant anyway. For example: "[1] For being elected or appointed." That adds nothing to the page. It's common sense you're writing down there, pointing out the obvious. It's not worth saying. Likewise statements like "most of the details are unknown."' Why does this need to be said? This page is meant to be dealing with known information about fame. Not unknown. The Fame page isn't a walkthrough guide anyway. Just a point of reference for whether a fame point exists for that task...or not. - Revan
Don't look at me, those you are having problems with are exactly written by Tom. I just play with the format, the content is unchanged. -- Gsklee 00:01, 7 December 2006 (CET)

Format Rollback

I changed the format for a reason - the old list style was completely unreadable.

Yes, it's probably not perfect, and can be improved. But I'd rather have a total change discussed first, before it's done.

--Tom 07:49, 7 December 2006 (CET)

Alright, fine. Seems like everyone has his own preference. I'll branch the old style to a new entry. You should protect this page if you are looking for keeping this page to only yourself. -- Gsklee 08:12, 7 December 2006 (CET)
Yes, everyone has their preferences. Which is why I didn't like the total change without prior discussion. Branching the page is fine, no problem. --Tom 00:16, 9 December 2006 (CET)

My Fame Points Don't Add Up

My character Henri has been Banker and Judge (2 points) and has been a region lord (1 point) and has a prestige of 19 (1 points). (Although as judge he executed someone and so may have lost prestige because of that so there may be another point there).

So that's 4 points for Henri.

Geoffrey has 28 prestige for 2 points.

And all my characters have a total of 56 prestige (57 if the adventurer counts) which should count for another 2.

So that's 8 points altogether, but the Circumflex family only has 7. So where did I go wrong?

--Jeffw 18:50, 20 December 2006 (CET)

You can only get a fame point once. You have counted the 10 individual prestige fame point twice. (Or you incorrectly counted the 20 individual prestige as being 2 points, either way.)--Indirik 19:38, 20 December 2006 (CET)

  • So the individual prestige points only count for the first of your characters to get them. That could be made clearer. --Jeffw 23:36, 20 December 2006 (CET)
I would refer you to the very first paragraph on the page: Each Fame Point is unique, and will be given only once for each condition fulfilled. Trying to trigger the events with another character will not grant you repeated Fame Points, as it is a family attribute. How much clearer can it get? --Indirik 00:15, 21 December 2006 (CET)


The article states: Region Lords get 1 point, while Dukes get 2 points. This means you can get 3 total for being first lord of a, say rural region and then lord of a city. (Emphasis added)

What about the other way around? What if someone becomes a duke and then a rural region lord? Is that fame point lost? Forever? --AJ 09:31, 4 February 2007 (CET)

Nope, I'm pretty sure people have got it in reverse order - it's just very hard to become a duke before a lesser lord :) --The1exile 12:06, 4 February 2007 (CET)
With one of my Characters i was Duchess of Joppo City, and then after i stepped down, became Baroness of Suuk - i received 3 fame points. Crazylozda 19:18, 4 February 2007 (CET)

The article also put emphasis on appointed (as opposed to purchased, one presumes) lordship/dukeship. Now that the game actually allow characters to be elected to such position in certain systems, should that be reflected. Or are they 2 sets of points? --Fodder 13:36, 12 February 2008 (CET)

Army Sponsor - Implemented?

Erm, so did Tom say it has been implemented or someone has got that Fame? -- Gsklee 02:32, 5 February 2007 (CET)

If it has been implemented, I still don't have the fame point(s). --The1exile 07:44, 6 February 2007 (CET)

Ruler Fame
Bannable added the text "Does not apply to Ruler" to indicate that the ruler gets fame regardless of the realm size. As far as I know, this is NOT true. I did not get any 0-day fame when elected as the ruler of a 3 region realm. I did get the 10-day fame, but that was a bug. I did not get the 100-day fame point. Unless someone has any additional information regarding this, the comment about rulers being exempted should be removed. --Indirik 16:13, 25 April 2007 (CEST)

Fror in Beluaterra ended up being Ruler of Joppo when everyone else had left. It was either a 3 region or even a 2 region realm (as one was perhaps revolted at the time. He received both the 0 day, and the 10 day fame. I think the 0 day fame took a while to come though. I'll ask him --Crazylozda 18:06, 25 April 2007 (CEST)
I recieved both the 0 and 10 day fame for being Ruler of Kybcyell, which was never larger than 1 region. -- Murakama 05:36, 26 April 2007 (CEST)
Kybcyell and Joppo were both before I gained the rulership of Kingdom of Alluran. Following my comment above, Tom removed the note regarding exceptions for rulers from the page. Possibly this was changed after Joppo and Kybcyell? --Indirik 14:55, 26 April 2007 (CEST)


"(Note that the above hints predate the 2007/04/25 update to 51 Fame points. Presumably, the brand new point is from a new feature that was added at the same time, and has probably not yet been achieved.)" Does anyone know what was updated in that update, might make it easier to figure out. I checked the discuss archives and all that was said were some message changes. --Athins 07:05, 4 March 2008 (CET)

Try the history. [1] --The1exile 17:15, 4 March 2008 (CET)

Family Fame

My family has 2 fame. but how?

The Aldwoni family, originally from Ashmoor (Atamara) has a fame of 2 and 925 gold of family wealth. -I have a knight(presitge 9) -I have a priest(prestige 2) -I have an adventurer(prestige 1) all are alive, no regionlords, not whent to tournaments, build no religion or guild.

guild/religion fame

Fame wise, are there any differences between founding a guild and a secret society? I would expect not, but I am not sure why I got an extra point (3 instead of 2) and did not pay close enough attention to figure out exactly when I got it. Then again, I am not sure I actually got a point for publishing a book as mentor. (months back) I suspect I didn't, but I was think it might give a point, but not always in the 1st book. Why that point should appear right now is a bit beyond me though, as I currently have no mentor and only ever published once. Probably it's a trader point that I got earlier but didn't notice --Fodder 14:11, 23 September 2008 (CEST)

Unknown Fame

Would it be possible to have an unknown point for getting honor/prestige when doing civil work? Or for a noble to be marshal?

I doubt that there's a fame point for civil work. There is supposed to be fame in Marshalling, but no one really knows an exact criteria. --Indirik 14:45, 18 October 2008 (CEST)
I am pretty sure the marshal one is either taking command of your army for the first time, or using a marshal setting for the first time.--Athins 22:35, 18 October 2008 (CEST)


Confirmed that dying in a duel does NOT earn you a fame point.

Considering that Tom added the "any death gets you fame" line, I would suspect that is part of this bug. Also, your above link seems to be to a private report or something. --The1exile