Talk:Beluaterra/Fifth Age

Note: I would like this to become a rough history of the fifth age...in complexity somewhere between a basic timeline and a full history. It should be kept easy to compile....and I would very much welcome contributors TanSerrai 18:30, 16 February 2011 (CET)

Wasn't Avalon killed by the monsters? I thought they were, at least loosely, allied with the daimons? I could be wrong, since I wasn't on the island at the time, just working from what I've heard. --Indirik (talk), Editor (talk) 21:27, 16 February 2011 (CET)

Avalon was killed by the Monsters, and the Daimon's tried to protect Avalon RestonVanim 02:22, 17 February 2011 (CET)

Cheniér: Thanks for any aid and clarification...however, how was the temple in Creasur destroyed? I though Creasur was stormed by forces from (or allied with) Enweil and Bara'Khur with the express aim to destroy the temple of light. Any additional - or different - in formation would be welcome. Until then I'll leave it as I wrote it.

I may be able to contribute to that answer. Marta, who blessed the Creasur Temple of Light, packed up and left. While there might have been deeper causes understood only by the Light, for the most part, it really was Marta going away. There might actually be the roleplaying event in the Repository of Knowledge or the Blood Cult wikis. --Qmasterflex86 19:06, 20 February 2011 (CET)

Thanks for that clarification...so to get this correct: Enweil, Bara'Khur and/or Fronen (any information on which of these realms was the leader would be welcome) did threaten Hetland with war to force them to dismantle the Temple of Light (essentially committing suicide). And during this time (due to this or other reasons) Martha dismantled the temple and left. Is this correct? Next: Cheniér informs me that none of their troops did enter Creasur - however, I (think) I remember at least one battlenotice about fighting between Hetland and one or more of E/B/F _in_ Creasur. Am I mistaken?TanSerrai 10:53, 21 February 2011 (CET)

Yes, there was in fact some sort of pressure from the three realms you mentioned who, at least from the messages I've read, thought that the Light was also harmful to the humans. I don't think Enweil and Fronen ever actually entered Creasur, but I recall a huge battle report at one time about Bara'Khur attacking the city. However, BK's attack most likely happened before the other two realms got involved. I might have actually saved that when I did a save of all my received messages, but it might have happened after I saved. Perhaps you can go with "Forces from Bara'Khur, Enweil, and Fronen, pressure Hetland to close its Temple of Light" in the absence of any info on battles? --Qmasterflex86 14:21, 21 February 2011 (CET)

There was much speculation among some of the human realms that while the Light as it was currently being used was not harmful to the humans, it could have been modified to be harmful to the humans. After all, it was wielding an immense amount of power. So what would have stopped the Servants of the Light from modifying that power to be harmful to humans as well? While the daimon armies were dueling with Hetland and dodging blasts of Light, a coalition of realms did finally get together and put pressure on Hetland to remove the temple of Light from Creasur. To Hetland's credit they stuck to their guns, and their principles, and refused. I tried to cut a deal with them several times, but they refused to discuss it. I believe the coalition of realms consisted of Enwiel, Bara'Khur, and Fronen. If I remember correctly, none of the actually entered Creasur. Bara'Khur forces did attack Hetland, but I don't think they were all that effective. There were reports of Fronen marching toward Creasur, and I thought I heard that Enweil was, too. Before any human military forces could really manage to attack Creasur, Marta "unblessed" the temple in Creasur. Once that happened the daimons flooded into the city and tore down the temple of Daishi. And thus ended Hetland.

Anyway, for my money, I don't think Enweil deserves credit for the death of Hetland. Enweil and Fronen made declarations that Hetland should "remove the temple of light or else". But Bara'Khur was the only one to attack. I'd say the page should read "(destroyed by daimons)" or at most "(destroyed by daimons and Bara'Khur)". --Delsantos 15:25, 22 February 2011 (CET)

As I keep thinking about this, a few more clarifications come to mind:

• The Servant of Light in Creasur was "Marta", not "Martha".
• Marta did not dismantle the temple in Creasur. It was a temple of Daishi. Marta "blessed" the existing temple of Daishi in Creasur to give it the power to summon the Light blasts. (Virgil blessed the temple of Hemaism in Firbalt, and someone else blessed the temple of Qyrvagg in Grehk.) When Marta left Creasur, she removed the blessing of the light from the temple of Daishi. She did not actually do any physical damage to the temple. It was still standing when the daimons charged into the city. But not for long after...
• We (the daimons) offered to cut a deal with Hetland several times, but they always refused. Had they removed the temple of Light from Creasur early on, it may not actually have been suicide to do it. Who can say? "No one is ever told what would have happened." :) By the time the coalition got around to making their demands that the temple be removed, it was too late for Hetland. Hetland had burned too many bridges all around to be left alive. I do respect Hetland (at least a little bit) for sticking to their convictions and fighting for what they believed in until the end. Several other realms seemed to abandon all sense of honor and just flip sides whenever it seemed like someone else could offer them a better deal.

--Delsantos 15:39, 22 February 2011 (CET)