Fame: Difference between revisions

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Please put your speculations on the page

This page should contain discussions about the Fame page itself, i.e. if anything on there is unclear, badly written, etc.

Change Notices

When reading the Fame page, check the history. If anything was changed after my last edit, it may or may not be true. The addition that was added to hero death details, for example, was false. The number of fame points has nothing to do with the size of the battle the hero dies in. --Tom 23:02, 21 November 2006 (CET)

Old Format

I think the old format is more readable, you can snatch the ideas of the article just in a fast glance, so why replaced it with more plain descriptions?

Since this version of MediaWiki seems like not supporting the reference function I decided to use a quite ugly way to mimic it. Not pretty but it does work. This should help organizing those minor details. -- Gsklee 23:33, 6 December 2006 (CET)

The Fame article now takes up more space than before length-wise, leaves a lot of white space to the right and the line breaks that strech only so far across the screen also don't look right. I think this new layout looks far worse than the original I'm afraid.

I also think those notes at the bottom are largely irrelevant anyway. For example: "[1] For being elected or appointed." That adds nothing to the page. It's common sense you're writing down there, pointing out the obvious. It's not worth saying. Likewise statements like "most of the details are unknown."' Why does this need to be said? This page is meant to be dealing with known information about fame. Not unknown. The Fame page isn't a walkthrough guide anyway. Just a point of reference for whether a fame point exists for that task...or not. - Revan

Don't look at me, those you are having problems with are exactly written by Tom. I just play with the format, the content is unchanged. -- Gsklee 00:01, 7 December 2006 (CET)

Format Rollback

I changed the format for a reason - the old list style was completely unreadable.

Yes, it's probably not perfect, and can be improved. But I'd rather have a total change discussed first, before it's done.

--Tom 07:49, 7 December 2006 (CET)

Alright, fine. Seems like everyone has his own preference. I'll branch the old style to a new entry. You should protect this page if you are looking for keeping this page to only yourself. -- Gsklee 08:12, 7 December 2006 (CET)

Yes, everyone has their preferences. Which is why I didn't like the total change without prior discussion. Branching the page is fine, no problem. --Tom 00:16, 9 December 2006 (CET)

My Fame Points Don't Add Up

My character Henri has been Banker and Judge (2 points) and has been a region lord (1 point) and has a prestige of 19 (1 points). (Although as judge he executed someone and so may have lost prestige because of that so there may be another point there).

So that's 4 points for Henri.

Geoffrey has 28 prestige for 2 points.

And all my characters have a total of 56 prestige (57 if the adventurer counts) which should count for another 2.

So that's 8 points altogether, but the Circumflex family only has 7. So where did I go wrong?

--Jeffw 18:50, 20 December 2006 (CET)

You can only get a fame point once. You have counted the 10 individual prestige fame point twice. (Or you incorrectly counted the 20 individual prestige as being 2 points, either way.)--Indirik 19:38, 20 December 2006 (CET)

So the individual prestige points only count for the first of your characters to get them. That could be made clearer. --Jeffw 23:36, 20 December 2006 (CET)

I would refer you to the very first paragraph on the page: Each Fame Point is unique, and will be given only once for each condition fulfilled. Trying to trigger the events with another character will not grant you repeated Fame Points, as it is a family attribute. How much clearer can it get? --Indirik 00:15, 21 December 2006 (CET)

Clarification

The article states: Region Lords get 1 point, while Dukes get 2 points. This means you can get 3 total for being first lord of a, say rural region and then lord of a city. (Emphasis added)

What about the other way around? What if someone becomes a duke and then a rural region lord? Is that fame point lost? Forever? --AJ 09:31, 4 February 2007 (CET)

Nope, I'm pretty sure people have got it in reverse order - it's just very hard to become a duke before a lesser lord :) --The1exile 12:06, 4 February 2007 (CET)

With one of my Characters i was Duchess of Joppo City, and then after i stepped down, became Baroness of Suuk - i received 3 fame points. Crazylozda 19:18, 4 February 2007 (CET)

Army Sponsor - Implemented?

Erm, so did Tom say it has been implemented or someone has got that Fame? -- Gsklee 02:32, 5 February 2007 (CET)

If it has been implemented, I still don't have the fame point(s). --The1exile 07:44, 6 February 2007 (CET)

Ruler Fame

http://wiki.battlemaster.org/index.php?title=Fame

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+Please put your speculations on the page
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-| align="center" width="30px"  | '''51'''
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-| align="center"   | '''13'''
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-|  High Score
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-'''Fame''' Points are awarded when characters have attained offices, performed certain actions, or achieved certain statuses. Each Fame Point is unique, and will be given ''only once'' for each condition fulfilled. Trying to trigger the events with another character will ''not'' grant you repeated Fame Points, as it is a family attribute.
+'''[[Lemon Fame 2]]'''
-Many fame points are also granted after a short delay or on the turns. For example, if you get appointed as a region lord and step down immediately, chances are that you won't get the fame point for holding a local lord position.
+This page should contain discussions about the Fame page itself, i.e. if anything on there is unclear, badly written, etc.
-While the majority of the Fame Points have been discovered, there are still a few that remain unknown, as [[User:Tom|Tom]] wishes to leave it that way. This page outlines all of the known Fame Points. The speculation page on the possible, undiscovered Fame Points is referred to as [[Lemon Fame 2|Lemon Fame]]. The other page features some stricter tested guesses is referred to as [[Fame Box]].
+|}<p>
-===Offices===
+== Change Notices ==
-(12 known points)
+When reading the Fame page, check the history. If anything was changed after my last edit, it may or may not be true. The addition that was added to hero death details, for example, was '''false'''. The number of fame points has nothing to do with the size of the battle the hero dies in.
+--[[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:02, 21 November 2006 (CET)
-* You will get '''1 point each''' for being elected or appointed to any of the 4 council positions ([[Ruler]], [[General]], [[Judge]] and [[Banker]]). <small>(very small realms do not grant these fame points)</small>
+== Old Format ==
-* Rulers will also get '''4 points''' on their 10th day and '''1 point''' for the 100th day of consecutive rulership (even one day of interruption will reset the counter).
-* Being ''appointed'' as a [[Region_Command|Region Lord]] will get you '''1 point''', while being appointed [[Duke]] will get you '''2 points'''. This means you can get 3 total for being first lord of a, say rural region and then lord of a city.
-===Attributes===
+I think the old format is more readable, you can snatch the ideas of the article just in a fast glance, so why replaced it with more plain descriptions?
-(8 known points)
-* Fame is granted for high prestige of individual characters, namely '''1 point each''' for reaching 10, 20 and 50 prestige.
+Since this version of MediaWiki seems like not supporting the reference function I decided to use a quite ugly way to mimic it. Not pretty but it does work. This should help organizing those minor details. -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 23:33, 6 December 2006 (CET)
-* Fame is also granted for high sum of prestige across all characters, namely '''1 point each''' for reaching a sum of 20, 50 and 100 prestige.
-* Wealthy families can also get '''1 point each''' for reaching 2000 and 5000 gold.
+:The Fame article now takes up more space than before length-wise, leaves a lot of white space to the right and the line breaks that strech only so far across the screen also don't look right. I think this new layout looks far worse than the original I'm afraid.
-===Events===
+:I also think those notes at the bottom are largely irrelevant anyway. For example: ''"[1] For being elected or appointed."'' That adds nothing to the page. It's common sense you're writing down there, pointing out the obvious. It's not worth saying. Likewise statements like ''"most of the details are unknown."''' Why does this need to be said? This page is meant to be dealing with '''known''' information about fame. Not unknown. The Fame page isn't a walkthrough guide anyway. Just a point of reference for whether a fame point exists for that task...or not. - [[User:Revan|Revan]]
-(9 known points)
-* '''1 point''' for publishing a book (requires [[Mentor]] points)
+::Don't look at me, those you are having problems with are exactly written by Tom. I just play with the format, the content is unchanged. -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 00:01, 7 December 2006 (CET)
-* '''1 point''' for Building a [[Palace]] or Moving the [[Capital]]
-* '''2 points''' for founding a [[Guilds|guild]] or religious order
-* '''1 point''' for making a [[Family Investment]]
-* '''3 points''' for winning a tournament
-* '''1 point''' for hosting a "successful" tournament ([[#Details Lacking|note]])
+== Format Rollback ==
-===Deaths===
+I changed the format for a reason - the old list style was completely unreadable.
-(6 known points)
-* '''1 point''' for being killed as a non-hero (usually by [[death#Executions|execution]])
+Yes, it's probably not perfect, and can be improved. But I'd rather have a total change discussed first, before it's done.
-* '''1 point''' for winning a [[Duel]] to the death, only if the loser actually dies
-* '''1 point''' for dying as a hero
-* '''3 points''' for dying as a "legendary" hero (this is a ''2nd'' death, so to get all 4 points, you will have to lose two heroes, one legendary and one non-legendary) ([[#Details Lacking|note]])
+--[[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:49, 7 December 2006 (CET)
-==Details Lacking==
+:Alright, fine. Seems like everyone has his own preference. I'll branch the old style to [[List of Fame|a new entry]]. You should protect this page if you are looking for keeping this page to only yourself. -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 08:12, 7 December 2006 (CET)
-These are fame points that are known and have been confirmed by Tom, but details are still missing so that they are not included in the list above - (at least 3 known points)
-* There is at least one point of fame for skill(s).
+::Yes, everyone has their preferences. Which is why I didn't like the total change without prior discussion. Branching the page is fine, no problem. --[[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:16, 9 December 2006 (CET)
-* Being the Founder of successful religion grants fame in addition to founding it. How much and what the criteria for "successful" are, nobody but Tom knows.
-* Sponsoring a successful army
-* What exactly is a "successful tournament" ?
-* What exactly makes a hero "legendary" ?
+== My Fame Points Don't Add Up ==
-==Hints==
+My character Henri has been Banker and Judge (2 points) and has been a region lord (1 point) and has a prestige of 19 (1 points).  (Although as judge he executed someone and so may have lost prestige because of that so there may be another point there).
-Since many players enjoy speculating about the unknown fame points, here are some hints on the unknown Fame Points, from Tom himself:
-* Only one Fame Point has not yet been collected - all other Fame Points have been earned by at least one, usually many. This one un-discovered Fame Point can be earned in battle.
+So that's 4 points for Henri.
-* There is Fame in religion
-* There is Fame for exceptional skill(s)
-* There is a trader-specific Fame Point
-* There is a Fame Point that can be gained in the infiltrator career (technically also in others, but Tom doubts anyone but an infiltrator could really pull it off). It's not based on Honour, though. [http://news.battlemaster.org/pipermail/discuss/2005-April/001348.html]
-* Some of the recently added Fame is easier for non-addicts to achieve, so some of the lower families will get Fame, too. [http://news.battlemaster.org/pipermail/discuss/2006-January/009362.html]
+Geoffrey has 28 prestige for 2 points.
-''(Note that the above hints predate the 2007/04/25 update to 51 Fame points.  Presumably, the brand new point is from a new feature that was added at the same time, and has probably not yet been achieved.)
+And all my characters have a total of 56 prestige (57 if the adventurer counts) which should count for another 2.
-==See Also==
+So that's 8 points altogether, but the Circumflex family only has 7.  So where did I go wrong?
-* [[Fame Box]]
-* [[Lemon Fame 2]]
+--[[User:Jeffw|Jeffw]] 18:50, 20 December 2006 (CET)
+You can only get a fame point once. You have counted the 10 individual prestige fame point twice. (Or you incorrectly counted the 20 individual prestige as being 2 points, either way.)--[[User:Indirik|Indirik]] 19:38, 20 December 2006 (CET)
+*So the individual prestige points only count for the first of your characters to get them.  That could be made clearer.  --[[User:Jeffw|Jeffw]] 23:36, 20 December 2006 (CET)
+:I would refer you to the very first paragraph on the page: ''Each Fame Point is unique, and will be given only once for each condition fulfilled. <u>Trying to trigger the events with another character will not grant you repeated Fame Points, as it is a family attribute.</u> ''   How much clearer can it get? --[[User:Indirik|Indirik]] 00:15, 21 December 2006 (CET)
+== Clarification ==
+The article states: <i>Region Lords get 1 point, while Dukes get 2 points. This means you can get 3 total for being first lord of a, say rural region <b>and then</b> lord of a city.</i> (Emphasis added)
+What about the other way around? What if someone becomes a duke and <b>then</b> a rural region lord? Is that fame point lost? Forever? --[[User:Maverick|AJ]] 09:31, 4 February 2007 (CET)
+:Nope, I'm pretty sure people have got it in reverse order - it's just very hard to become a duke before a lesser lord :) --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 12:06, 4 February 2007 (CET)
+::With one of my Characters i was Duchess of Joppo City, and then after i stepped down, became Baroness of Suuk - i received 3 fame points. [[User:Crazylozda|Crazylozda]] 19:18, 4 February 2007 (CET)
+== Army Sponsor - Implemented? ==
+Erm, so did Tom say it has been implemented or someone has got that Fame? -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 02:32, 5 February 2007 (CET)
+:If it has been implemented, I still don't have the fame point(s). --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 07:44, 6 February 2007 (CET)
+== Ruler Fame ==
+http://wiki.battlemaster.org/index.php?title=Fame