Talk:The Elven Tribune/Issue 12

Why Doc, I'm mildly peeved! To even think that I wouldn't be honest! You see, dishonesty is so often difficult to keep up... so I'm always honest, I always tell the truth, the half truth, and possibly a few additions to the truth. But at least it's the truth! But seriously, when have I ever lied? Yes, I have OMMITTED, or I have MISLED, but never lied. Yes, many would say it is splitting hairs. But you, of all people, understand that, in politics and matters of national security, it is the divisions between hairs that really matter. Vellos 20:14, 11 November 2006 (CET)

Or you could be more like me, and simply be truthful. There is little wrong with omition if it doesn't distort the truth...telling more than the truth is nonsense and results in many enemies that call your bluff. I was very surprised you were somewhat honest with your accessment of Avamar's points, but I did not say your report was absolutely honest. There are things in your report that are total bull, but those are minor details...the devil is always in the details I guess? However, the fact that I pointed out your sense of honesty is simply a paradox of your persona. You always delved in that which was very dishonest and then you turn-around and speak somewhat honestly about a particular part of your life that is filled with evil---for lack of a better word. You are an interesting man (Hireshmont) that should try and approach things with less apprehension, continue with the shameless candor, and pursue an honest path with brevity as your sword. If the rambling of an old man mean anything to you, you'll heed my words: and be that much better--perhaps. Doc

Doc, out of curiosity, what parts of my report were total bull? Firstly, they may have been rude, sarcastic, crass, and insulting, but true. Secondly, it is possible that I know/knew things you do/did not. Then again, you surely know things I do not. Such is the nature of life. Does establishing the most comprehensive and complete code of laws in the world qualify as an honest path? Or, hey, what about being the general of a realm fighting against a realm which butchered 15,000 of its citizens, kidnapped and almost raped its queen, and repeatedly violated treaties? Are these honest paths? Vellos 03:27, 12 November 2006 (CET)

Anything is possible, I guess, but such matters are like a card game I play...we call it Poker, Elven Holdem (ooc: texas holdem hehe), where everything is about odds of knowing things, or not. I know some of your report is inaccurate, but do you really want me to point it out? Not really. The details are of minor importance, which is why I didn't list them--but it is in the details, the minor nuances, that someone has the "upper hand" if you get my drift. As for your question concerning a General defending his people against something that--if true--strange, then your answer is yes. A realm that violates agreements at a whim does not desrerve to wield power and influence...now if even after that said realm loses BOTH, the realm continues to be problematic, such realm has no merit to exist among the "civilized" nations. Wouldn't you agree? Everyone knows what is right and proper, but the sheer fact you are asking me for advice on that matter, probably means your own version of the truth is full of holes...but I will not fill them...for you see, when you say "It is right for me to do this because" and stick to it...and others agree with it...well then, hell, I think you are on the right path...remember, you achieve so much more if you are loved AND respected by enemies and allies alike...rather than if you are loathed and feared. At least that is out of my personal experience...worked for me, so I figure it'd work for anyone, if they simply stick to it in the good times--and the bad--and don't sell out for petty short-term gains. Hope I helped you some. Doc

Ah but, Doc, you were not loved and respected by your enemies. I'm sure your allies, at least most of the Northern Trinity, probably loved you, and the Southern Federation surely respected, appreciated, maybe loved you... but there's NO WAY you can tell me that anyone in Oligarch, Avamar, Rancagua, Perdan, or Caligus loved you and most of us in Oligarch at least didn't even respect you, and Avamar surely didn't either. Also, I'm eager to have my errors corrected. Wouldn't you agree that seeking truth is good and admirable? I am, and always have been, a truth-seaker. Partly to make myself a better person, partly to gain advantage over my foes, and partly to know what crucial moral truths I am defiling. So please, what have I missed? All conceptions of truth have holes. Yours has holes, mine has holes. By comparing the two; we may be able to make a version of the truth with less holes, wouldn't you say? Vellos 21:24, 12 November 2006 (CET)

You have no idea how many Enemies said something publicly, and then told me in private, that I was the only adversary they've ever respected or considered a true challenge. Perhaps there are/were those that were truely ignorant and could not adimre my work and dedication...but for the most part, the cheap propaganda being used against me by a handful of morons--for lack of a better word--did very little in the eyes of true warriors. The Avamarians probably loved me the most..they were the most obssessed with me, having made a play, songs and folkore stories central to their culture revolving around the man that was supposedly Public Enemy #1. If you read their papers, they even recognize my work as a peacemaker now that I am out of Power (as saying I rule the World, or slandering my reputation as PM serves no purpose anymore) because the truth doesn't hurt or help anyone anymore on this subject. As for all conceptions of truth having holes, that is absolutely untrue. There is but one truth...it is when you make it your truth that it has holes, young one. As with the matter of me saying that most of my enemies respected me, loved me and I dare say miss me...that is not untrue...I am surprised you even try to challenge it. I was a good Leader, a Fair Ruler and never once did not try to offer alternative solutions to my enemies before having to order their government's removal from the world of politics. The Peoples of Omsk, Rancagua, Oligarch, Avamar and Eleador have all scattered...not one was ever hunted down and persecuted for their loyalties to their respective governments. The Avamarians, however, have resurfaced in another realm...I hope that Sirion shall deal with them, but if they don't, oh well...that is Handow's call to make now. Doc