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Can someone confirm or deny the bit about only battles won gains prest? That does not sound right to me. --Eric S P 23 August 2005 09:37 (CEST)

I confirmed that you get prest even losing a battle. --Eric S P 25 August 2005 21:59 (CEST)
Thanks, that was bugging me, too. I wonder if you get less prestige for losing than for winning? --John 26 August 2005 05:41 (CEST)
I know that winning a lopsided battle get you almost nothing. Honor or Prest. Doing well in a battle your side loses can get you as much and more honor/prest than doing poorly in one your side wins. --Eric S P 26 August 2005 11:30 (CEST)
You can gain prestige when losing a battle, but it is far less likely than for winning one. --Tom 30 August 2005 19:26 (CEST)

There appear to be a whole bunch of things not on the list that require minimum prestige and/or honour, including:

  • police work
  • setting up militia
  • money transfers

Is there a list and/or any indication of what these minimum levels are? As a relatively new player it helps to know what my characters can and can't do-- preferably without wasting turns in the attempt. --Robbiem 14 October 2005 01:02 (CEST)

I'm not sure but I think that these do not require prestige. You have to have been in the game long enough to do some things, but Police work if I recall correctly only needs you to have your men designated as Police force. Setting up militia might require you to have a large enough force, or if you are certain you need something it might be that you can't set up green troops as militia. I had the option to set up militia with 20+ men after 2 battles, one of which was with peasants. As for money transfers you need to have your family stop sending you money and be near a bank to transfer money. Also, the money needs to be in bonds. Ask a player in the game if you are a relatively new character, such as a mentor or failing that your liege-lord if you have a character who is a knight. --The1exile 15 January 2006 12:15 (CET)
Actually, The1exile, those things do have prestige limits (actually, I think the police work one is an honour limit). This is designed to be a simple way to determine that a character has been around long enough to get a feel for things before they start doing some of the tasks that are less of active-duty work and more maintenance. These were set up relatively recently by Tom to prevent realms from relegating new players to bureaucratic/maintenance work and allow them to get a better shot at combat. Sending money to your family is also limited by (I believe) prestige. --Anaris 15 January 2006 20:15 (CET)
Ok, if there are new rules enforced recently then sorry, I hadn't heard of that. But when I first joined my realm, I did not have these restrictions, and that was less than three months ago. Since I was pretty much thrown in at the deep end after about a week, the first opportunity I had to see if I could send money back was aboout a month later when I resupplied back at the capital, but of course by that time I had a decent amount of honour and prestige. If anyone knows what the limits are then by all means add them; I for one don't have the faintest idea. --The1exile 18 January 2006 17:34 (CET)


There are two things under Honor that can't be right. First it says that everyone starts off with 10, but I just recently started with 8. And it says that at the starting value of honor that a TL can only command 25 men, but I just recruited another 10 men giving me 30 and the game let me do that. (I hope that when I get into a battle that it doesn't decide that I have too many men to command effectively). --JeffW 20:14, 9 May 2006 (CEST)

Yes, it's outdated. I think Fame and character starting age also affect honour. --The1exile 20:25, 9 May 2006 (CEST)
"You may only command half as many Cavalry or Special Forces with the same amount of honour."
This is also inacurate. I have commanded 49 archers, and it will only let me hire 22 special forces. My Honor is just a few points higher than it was then. --Slaadslayer 08:14, 11 September 2008 (CEST)

Prestige requirement for cavalry

This article says you need 5 prestige to recruit cavalry, yet I just created a new character (with 13 honour and 2 prestige, due to my fame, I think) and got the option to have a starting unit of cav. Are starting units an exception, or is the article wrong? (I'm pretty sure there is a requirement for cav, but prehaps it's only 2.) --TomDalton 00:31, 13 July 2006 (CEST)

Possibly that if you are famous enough, you can start with Cavalry? --The1exile 01:25, 13 July 2006 (CEST)
I just started a new char on EC. And when choosing a unit, I could choose cavalry. So I did. Now I have 14 cavalry with 12 honour and 3 prestige. It is a young (inexperienced) noble. And as stated I do believe it is related to the fame of my family. I recently reached 20 fame after my "legendary" hero died. --Roy 13:20, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
I believe it has to do with your family fame. Once it reaches a certain point, new characters have the ability to start with a cavalry unit. -Capet 14:10, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Trading Skill

Can anyone tell me what the trading skill does? I've looked and the wiki doesn't seem to have anything conclusive. Elenar 05:25, 28 March 2007 (CEST)

Lol, now you mention it, what does the skill do? Foreign Curs 16:59, 28 March 2007 (CEST)

I believe it's better chance of not getting caught on the black market, and more chance/bigger profits with misc. goods. --The1exile 17:34, 28 March 2007 (CEST)

Skill detection

How is a player able to determine the skills of their character? besides the pie chart in dwilight (which I can assume is not connected to the fame point system) how is one able to tell if they have earned a fame point for exceptional skill if they are never able to see what percentage they are at. I find the preaching skill especially nonexistant. Has there ever been a message that says a character has earned a preaching skill? D.west.ton 05:27, 31 October 2008 (CET)

pie chart has nothing to do with skill. it's to do with what your character has done.. fighting-red, dodgy stuff-black, etc. see New Attributes. To figure out skill, go to a academy.. they'll estimate it after a session. not necessarily accurate to a point. might also depends on whether skill of tutor is higher than your skill or not, not certain myself. preaching skill is one of the easiest to gain as that's all you do all day. incidentally.. a priest supposedly is shown in certain pages as "renowned priest of whatever religion" or some such above certain skill rate. --Fodder 07:39, 31 October 2008 (CET)