Talk:Family Pages/old2

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How to divide it up

The question still remains as to how to divide the page up.

We need some kind of structure, because a list of a hundred or more names just isn't something that is useful.

Let's sum up the structures that were proposed:

• By number of rulerships
• By a self-assessment of fame (as shown on the page at the moment)
• By home island

What other ideas can we come up with? Let's do a little brainstorming. No criticising, just collection of thoughts, then we have fun shooting them down, ok?

--Tom 4 August 2005 11:22 (CEST)

Hmm. How about:

• Straight-up alphabetical order
• Guild memberships or other (less formal) associations
• Favorite class
• Home island and home realm
• Length of time in game
• By region (I'm thinking something like the Domesday Book here)
• Actual numerical fame value (We should probably have a "famous families" page for that, anyway)

--Dolohov 4 August 2005 16:36 (CEST)

We definitely need a sort order that doesn't change all the time, which rules out fame, guild or realm memberships.

Alphabetical is something that we don't have to set up - if everyone puts his family page into a "families" category, we get that for free as an added bonus.

--Tom 4 August 2005 20:47 (CEST)

I was actually thinking that it would be a feature if the order changes -- if it were ordered by fame, for example, it would get people returning to this page every time they gained a fame point. --Dolohov 4 August 2005 20:49 (CEST)

We are restricting the community portal?

What a great community that will be. Come on Tom this is not what you are about.

And I was serious. I am not up for a watered down pissing match. Either get out the tale of the tape (Baseball terminology for lets measure) or water it down completely and just make it a game feature. --Eric S P 6 August 2005 10:39 (CEST)

Reasons for neutral tone

There are many reasons for remaining neutral on this one page and leaving the "pissing contest" to the family pages themselves. Two main reasons:

1. There might be hundreds of families on this page. The difference between "1 line, no bragging" and "keep it short, maybe 3-4 lines" is 10 or more pages of text.
2. Once the pissing contest starts, it will get out of control. Someone will not be happy with bragging about himself and will insert a comment on someone else's family. Then that one will want to get even. Then families will be deleted, and down we go.

This is a final decision. No pissing contest on the intro page.

--Tom 7 August 2005 11:42 (CEST)

Ordering

Ok I understand the reason why and I have 2 things I can say about that:

First is that being what you want, alphabetical is the way to go. It is dull, boring, and people will not give a damn. Starting with me. That is why the family page dropped off on the old tiki... Lorens Versatile got some interest and than it waned again. It is simply not interesting. Your call.

Second is, you are wrong. How do know? Because it has not happened yet. Tiki Family page has been up forever and no has screwed with it. --Eric S P 7 August 2005 14:20 (CEST)

Well, my personal opinion is that the families won't be interesting no matter how you structure them. But I'd suggest making this simply link to a category page, and then everyone who wants to be on that page adds the [[Category:Family]]. Alphabetical order, no effort required. -- Nicholas August 8, 2005 03:48 (CEST)

There's something to that Category idea -- and if it proves to be useless or unmanageable, then we can always try something else later. --John 8 August 2005 06:26 (CEST)

Alphabetical is total nonsense exactly because the category page would do that automatically. Eric, you're just behaving like a spoiled child again. You don't get your way, so you take your toy and don't play anymore.

The current page is an attempt to have a slightly more interesting ordering, but without the pissing contest part. If it doesn't work, we can change it. I suggest we add the category and link to the category page as an alternative.

--Tom 8 August 2005 11:37 (CEST)

Alphabetical is total nonsense?? Hmmm. Oh and this is a pissing contest as is. Just not a good one. --Eric S P 8 August 2005 13:09 (CEST)

I may not have been as clear as I intended to be. Creating a page with manual alphabetical ordering is nonsense because there already is a page with automatic alphabetic ordering - Category: Families. --Tom 8 August 2005 13:16 (CEST)

Family Pages

Doesn't work as subpages due to the category ordering. I've moved the existing 3 pages to a unified naming scheme, which will make the category page work. Eric: If you insist on a dick-measuring page, set one up as an alternative and we'll see which one works better. --Tom 8 August 2005 11:46 (CEST)

Listen, I searched and searched. I don't know how mto set up an alternative page. No help to creating alternative pages at all. And you know what, it was just about having fun with the stats. I don't really care, I was just having a bit of fun and getting creative.

If somneone knows how to create an alternative page feel free to take it. I really have to take a break from it all. The game in all of its fascets sucks for me right now. --Eric S P 9 August 2005 11:26 (CEST)