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::It has nothing to do with Prestige and honour, I can confirm from my hero death. --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 11:15, 5 November 2006 (CET)
 
::It has nothing to do with Prestige and honour, I can confirm from my hero death. --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 11:15, 5 November 2006 (CET)
  
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== Normal Heroic Deaths - Need Cases ==
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==Normal Heroic Deaths - Need Cases==
  
 
I need real cases on Normal Heroic Deaths, otherwise I cannot compare. Do not send old cases for some factors might be different in the old times, just send new cases you've encountered. -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 09:35, 3 December 2006 (CET)
 
I need real cases on Normal Heroic Deaths, otherwise I cannot compare. Do not send old cases for some factors might be different in the old times, just send new cases you've encountered. -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 09:35, 3 December 2006 (CET)
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:::::I'm pretty sure he's a normal one. I think it might be that if they emigrated, they get more fame (better known across the continents)... --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 07:11, 4 December 2006 (CET)
 
:::::I'm pretty sure he's a normal one. I think it might be that if they emigrated, they get more fame (better known across the continents)... --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 07:11, 4 December 2006 (CET)
  
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== Being legendary? ==
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==No Useless Talks Here==
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I have deleted useless talks that should make their way to '''[[Lemon Fame 2]]'''. The '''[[Fame Box]]''' namespace is all about speculations based on '''''real proofs'''''. "Perhaps", "Maybe" without any evidence to support what you said is not what I want to see in here. I would be appreciated whenever you sight a normal heroic death and throw in a note, but baseless wild shots are never helpful. -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 06:15, 25 January 2007 (CET)
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I haven't seen this anywhere... But perhaps it has to do with the ammount of battles he was involved in, the number of troops he led as a hero, the ammount of casualties he caused, the number of opponents he battled, or the ammount of times he told his story. -[[User:Chénier|Chénier]] 21:09, 13 January 2007 (CET)
 
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:Nope. There's a known case of one guy being a hero for only a few hours before he was killed. --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 00:41, 14 January 2007 (CET)
 
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::And gained the 3 fame points? Perhaps the stats include what he did before he was a hero as well? Oh, and is it possible to gain the 3 fame points for a legendary hero before the 1 for a normal hero? -[[User:Chénier|Chénier]] 04:26, 14 January 2007 (CET)
 
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:::Yes, I specifically remember someone saying his first dead hero earned him 3 fame points.
 
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::::Maybe size of battle, or how many hits his unit took in his dying battle, or how much damage his unit did in said battle, or family fame? [[User:Vellos|Vellos]] 06:40, 14 January 2007 (CET)
 
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:::::Tom siad it wasn't the size if the battle. And you can take a look at Alex's death if you want to see a battle that only gave me 1 fame. I'm pretty sure you get 3 after your hero emigrated, but proving that theory is hard. --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 14:10, 14 January 2007 (CET)
 
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:::::I don't think emigration matters in deciding whether you get 1 or 3 fame points. Some heroes who emigrated were killed and got 1 fame, and some heroes who stayed with their realm from day one got 3 fame. -[[User:Pizarro|Pizarro]]
 
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::::::Examples? I have yet to see a hero on BT not be legendary. --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 15:26, 14 January 2007 (CET)
 
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:::::::Yep, unless we can get a few more cases about normal heroic deaths, I don't think we can have any real progress here. -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 05:43, 15 January 2007 (CET)
 
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::::::::On the family page of the Barghoutis (most heroes killed within a family), it says that Najibs death got 1 fame point, implying he was not 'legendary'. Najib emigrated a couple times before ending up in Sandalak where he was killed. Kyra, another hero, started her career in Eston and stayed there until she was killed, earning 3 fame points, implying she was legendary. Also, Najib was older, more experienced and had more H/P than Kyra. -[[User:Pizarro|Pizarro]]
 
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== Pretty Sure? ==
 
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With all the evidence we've got I think it's pretty safe to say that your first hero that dies gives you 1 fame point and your second that dies gives you three. Which means having a second hero is your "legendary" hero. -- [[User:Shenron|Shenron]]
 
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:Wrong. Do your research. --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 17:40, 24 January 2007 (CET)
 
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::Though what I've read seems to say he's wrong too, look at what Tom [[Fame|wrote]]... makes it look like the first death is 1 fame no matter what... -[[User:Chénier|Chénier]] 22:27, 24 January 2007 (CET)
 
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:::that's what I said? 1st death one point. '''Second''' death 3 points. -- [[User:Shenron|Shenron]]
 
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::::I'll admit it looks like first death is 1 fame. I disagree that second is 3 points, it still has to be a legendary hero. And reports tell of the 3 fame being won before the 1 point. -[[User:Chénier|Chénier]] 01:02, 25 January 2007 (CET)
 

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The honour and prestige of those characters should be included if this is going to be any type of research--Aralaiquendi 17:43, 4 November 2006 (CET)

That'll be pretty hard, since these data will be removed from the player history page as soon as the character dies. And I suspect it has nothing to do with Prestige/Honour anyway. -- Gsklee 06:22, 5 November 2006 (CET)
It has nothing to do with Prestige and honour, I can confirm from my hero death. --The1exile 11:15, 5 November 2006 (CET)

Normal Heroic Deaths - Need Cases

I need real cases on Normal Heroic Deaths, otherwise I cannot compare. Do not send old cases for some factors might be different in the old times, just send new cases you've encountered. -- Gsklee 09:35, 3 December 2006 (CET)

Isn't Alex Exiled a Normal Hero death? I got 1 point of fame for him - you have the details. --The1exile 14:08, 3 December 2006 (CET)
Yeah, but I need more than one. I can't find Marouane's userdetail page so I can't include it in, which makes the sure case I have in this category only one. -- Gsklee 16:38, 3 December 2006 (CET)
Marouane deleted. I know a few other dead heros though. Try this guy for example.--The1exile 17:37, 3 December 2006 (CET)
Hmmm, this one a Normal one, no? My newest guess is that the thing is somehow related with the number of realms the Hero once visited. -- Gsklee 05:23, 4 December 2006 (CET)
I'm pretty sure he's a normal one. I think it might be that if they emigrated, they get more fame (better known across the continents)... --The1exile 07:11, 4 December 2006 (CET)

No Useless Talks Here

I have deleted useless talks that should make their way to Lemon Fame 2. The Fame Box namespace is all about speculations based on real proofs. "Perhaps", "Maybe" without any evidence to support what you said is not what I want to see in here. I would be appreciated whenever you sight a normal heroic death and throw in a note, but baseless wild shots are never helpful. -- Gsklee 06:15, 25 January 2007 (CET)

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