Talk:The Fronen Commentator/Edition:1

You are saying LdB can't win wars? You are a crazy nut for saying that ignorant. Back when I founded Luz de Bia, she was undefeated...she destroyed the remanents of Irombar, defeated Riombara(how she ended up in exile on the Islands in the first place), negotiated a safe passage for Ghrenk to leave the Lands Luz de Bia had in mind (meaning that LdB agreed not to takeover Ghrenk till Old Ghrenk started/completed a safe takeover far away in 'rogue land) and was even asked to assimilate Eno Chia peacefully. This is what Luz de Bia was when it was founded...a powerhouse of limitless potential that started off smaller than Eno Chia and fighting uphill battles..then most of the Luz de Bians left for the Taselak of the South West Island...and it appears that LdB is in a fix. She had better make those that claimed the fastest victory on the South Islands proud. Lady Doc's Biatch (LDB)

I apologize if I've implied that Luzde Bia cannot win wars. By my statement I meant Luz de Bia can not defeat the East Coast Alliance if they continue to fall into Riombaran traps. --Alex 05:53, 26 November 2006 (CET)(Character:Alexius)

Point remains that there shouldn't be any Riombarian traps...they swore never to come South of the Islands in their surrender. They begged for life, and my people agreed to grant it if they stayed out of our land. Now they threaten the very nation that had the option to wipe them out--anyone that says that people would intervene on Riombara's behalf is lying--but voted not to? It blows my mind. Diplomacy is supposed to work when people respect the treaties they write...which is precisely why I hope Luz de Bia recovers from this and other Diplomacaticly-Orieted realms see the error in Riombara's ways and enforce those said treaties. This whole Imbrozia secession is a joke. No realm illegitimately secedes--for starters--and reunites with the mother realm later. It is bull. Lady Doc's Biatch

LDB is correct on some point. We never set any trap -- The defeat you Luzian currently have are mainly came from their general's fault, and we just better utilize the chance you Luzian open to us, and inflict more critical wound on your scar only. And Irombro's current co-operation with Riombara, well, it's also due to Luzian's greed to try to obtain one more city from Riombara/Irombro, nothing more. Remember losers's bragging is meaningless.Kakeru Date

By the way, you should probably also point out - with the friendly aquisition of Mio Dupaki (now doing far better under the Riombaran government, and not even a day after aquisition) Luz is reduced to having access only to the recruitment secntres in Grekh, unless they move ythe capital. And moving the capital has been Riombara's aim all along. --The1exile 23:35, 7 December 2006 (CET)

I'm not sure if this is still in effect, but isn't it illegal to move your capital for purely strategic purposes? As far as I know, it is only allowed if the realm has expanded and needs a more central capital. | Pizarro 23:47, 7 December 2006 (CET)

That is supposedly a rule, but look at where Grekh is in relation to the rest of Luz, and Riombara, and tell me if you really think it's enforced... I'd rather not open the flame war again, though. Luz should really move back to Jiddington (if they move it to Eylmon but refuse to take peace, Riombara could easily sack that city as well...) --The1exile 00:16, 8 December 2006 (CET)

Scorched earth policy says capital must move. Is Scorched Earth Policy even possible in BM? (Is it the slightest bit desireable?). Anyhow, to be more to the point, this ain't a question of strategy. They don't really have a choice:it's move or surrender. It's not as if they are moving it to better bring re-enforcements to the battlefield. Then again, I don't mind if the troops come back home with their new war wives, it'll allow plenty of victory festivities. God knows we can't have too many festivals. -Chénier 01:27, 8 December 2006 (CET)

(Can I make one humble request/suggestion for this paper? Maybe a few less links...I mean, a couple is fine but I don't need to check out just who Fronen is more than once in an article..it looks, overcrowded. That's just my humble opinion though)

Recent Article

This is disgusting. I'm not even Luz de Bian, and I still have rather painful memories of Luz de Bian massacres in the streets of Irombro, but this is truly disgusting. There is no handbook for peasants. Why? Peasants can't READ. Also, no Fronen unit gave food to any peasant, that is a lie. Tell me, how did a CAVALRY unit keep pace with the army while travelling with CARAVANS? Hm? It didn't, because there were no caravans. And if there were, you sold the food, not gave it. And about the propaganda villages, also lies. I've gone on missionary journeys into Luz de Bia many times, and such villages do not exist. Yes, taxes are high (though what is the root cause? This war, which, honestly, neither side is making any effort to end, least of all for the peasants which neither side cares much for), but not NEARLY at the level you say. Plus, the border villages are also a scam. I have seen the border villages: they are the very poorest of all. Why? Because they have been fought over by both sides continuously. It is important to note that neither side is responsible in full for any hardship of the Luz de Bian peasants, neither side has done great good for them, and both sides make heavy use of propaganda: Irombrozia's own newspaper uses propaganda. But this is outrageous, this is completely beyond normal, and CERTAINLY not what I expected from the Fronen Commentator, supposed to be the factual account. Or, wait, do I have that mixed up? -Amekal Vellos

Nope Fronen Commentator is the Opinion/Propaganda newspaper. The Face of Fronen is pure fact. I realize that last article was entirely propaganda meant to counter the many articles of Luz de Bian propaganda. --Alex 02:47, 15 December 2006 (CET)(Character: Alexius)

Regicide

Irombrozia appreciates your sympathy, for what it is worth. Let us hope Qyrvagg will hear your sympathies and bless us in battle against the ones who slew Marc. Vellos 02:58, 20 December 2006 (CET)

OOC Note: Why do youy think we gave the body to the peasants? That goes for you too, Lyman. It wasn't RPed that way. --The1exile 13:20, 20 December 2006 (CET)

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Roleplay from Baiko (Yesterday)

Message sent to the Judges of this world (20 recipients) Oh my, it seems it does not end with execution Arch Enemy, a squire from your accursed capital reported to me the day's events by request of your ruler, I know not why Delvin wanted me to know this other than to perhaps spark more hatred. I thought at least our king's body would be returned to us, but nay, it is to be passed around and disgraced, made unrecognizable, and his head to be displayed on a pike in your accursed city of Athol Margos. But you already knew that didn't you Arch Enemy? You know this as you spew your false words at me. Riombara hasn't even the decency to leave a body once it's dead? There's a fine line between executing a traitor and acting like barbarians, and your realm has crossed it. And you call yourselves nobles? I hope those here can see exactly what Riombara is, a land full of ignoble beasts.

Baiko

Arch Priestess of Irombrozia

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How did it happen then. -Chénier 18:31, 20 December 2006 (CET)

The body was given to Marche to prepare for return to Irombro. Marche is not a peasant, he's our minister of finance. --The1exile 20:20, 20 December 2006 (CET)

OOC Note: Irombrozians never said his body was given to the peasents so why are you busting Lyman? I had Baiko send the -exact- copy of Delvin's message to the judges, what they took from it is no fault of ours. I, personally, took it as his body was to be passed to Marche to "do what he will with" as it was put, and the nobles, not the peasents... --player of Baiko (12/21/06)

Because of this. --The1exile 22:05, 21 December 2006 (CET)

Though that isn't my source, we probably both drew information from the same place. -Chénier 22:44, 21 December 2006 (CET)

OOC- Hireshmont has sources inside Riombara, duh, who felt bad about killing Marc. Do you seriously think there is no TL in Riombara who disagreed with Marc's execution? Well, there's quite a few, and they contacted Hireshmont. Seriously, I'm telling you OOC. Now, Hireshmont of course does exagerate some, but multiple TLs of Riombara told Hireshmont of various things going on in Athol Margos. I would have tossed out some IC lines about spies, but you brought it OOC. Then again, there's always the chance you will disbelieve me, and just say Hireshmont is lying.

OOC- To be honest, I don't really care about what's going down there. Both parties are expected to make themselves look great and the others, not so much. I use whatever source makes more interesting conversations ;) -Chénier 01:50, 22 December 2006 (CET)