Talk:The Face of Fronen/Edition:11

• Slight difference between losing a random city and losing your capitol to a revolt.--Dalakar 08:50, 16 October 2007 (CEST)

True, Unger was a totaly difrent story, revolted due incompetence from the Valentics not due starvation and continues daimon attacks.

Mhed also managed to defend her self once, Unger was mostly completly defenseles. --Vlad 11:08, 16 October 2007 (CEST)

Although many human Beluaterran nations oppose and detest the Daimons, as faithful readers of this newspaper should know that Sint, Heen, and Vlaanderen have declared armistice with the Daimons. - If you check your battle rumours - Heen has just been fighting Daimons, alongside Neo Grekh (and Ashborn/Old Grekh if it weren't for diplomatic relations) in Vozzessdor. You can check our newspaper for the report. Fun times hey ;) --Thrydwulf Grancourt -- 08:34, 17 October 2007 (CEST)

• Well, you don't contradict yourself in your own newspaper. Besides, it's much more interesting to keep feeding your readers a catchy story. Heen fighting Inferi would only sound dull. Better stick to impulsively sharing ill-fed rumours. Foreign Curs 14:13, 17 October 2007 (CEST)
  • If Jean-Olivier said it, they know it must be true. ;) -Chénier 14:19, 17 October 2007 (CEST)
    • If JeanOlivier what? Jean are you implying that YOU were the source of the information Grego gave ME? He wouldn't... never! Well anyway, glad to hear you enjoy Fronen's little journal your majesty. Not only do you enjoy this little paper, but his majesty King Dimian also seems to enjoy and value the reporting. This paper appears to be very popular with the higher-ups in Beluaterra, doesn't it?--Alex 01:54, 18 October 2007 (CEST)

Eno/Firbalt Duel

As one of the principles involved in the conflict between Sint and the Kingdom of Alluran, I feel it only proper to correct one minor point: I did not challenge Pontifex Bocephus to a duel, I accepted his implicit challenge. Apparently Chancellor Grego did not share the previous few messages with the people of Fronen. Please allow me to provide you with them. First, my message to the rulers of Belauterra:

Letter from Dimian

Message sent to Rulers of this world (23 recipients)

A rebellion is breaking out in Vlaanderen. Earlier today, Arcane has called for an uprising against the current government. Details are still sketchy. And so Vlaanderen gets its just rewards for betraying humanity. As I predicted, mankind will forever remember the daimons conquering and destroying, all under the blood red banner of Vlaanderen. Mark this day well, Bocephus. For such is your fate as well if you fail to march in lockstep to the will of the daimon. You have sold your soul to the daimon, and now he owns you. But it is not yet too late. Cast off your cloak of cowardice and greed. Cast the the daimons forth from your ranks now Bocephus, or all of humanity will pay the price for your arrogance and ignorance.

Dimian (King of Kingdom of Alluran)

And this was Pontifex Bocephus' response:

Letter from Bocephus

Message sent to Rulers of this world (23 recipients)

But it is not yet too late. Cast off your cloak of cowardice and greed You know nothing of our realm or religion. You call me a coward one more time and I might just personally march down there and cast off your entrails after gutting an idiot with a bigger than brain like yourself.

Bocephus (Pontifex of Sint)

I have called Pontifex Bocephus' bluff. He attempts to intimidate the rulers of Beluaterra into remaining silent long enough to allow his daimonic masters to complete their nefarious plans. This cannot be allowed to continue. What other choice could any man with honor do other than to accept his implied challenge? By accepting, I will demonstrate to the entire island of Beluaterra that Bocephus is all bluster. Separate him from the source of his daimonic power and he has no personal strength, honor, or conviction on which to stand. I will stand here in Eno and wait for him to arrive to carry through on his threats. When he does not, the entire island will see him for the coward that he is. When the undead and daimonic invaders have been driven from the island, if he still lives, I shall make the journey to the charred remnants of Firbalt and force him to confront me. --Dimian Indirik, King of Alluran

• Sure, they took over Gethesmene, but that was before those ten other daimons joined them, and that was in the name of their religion and also to harbour a rogue region. The situation like it's now is much different. You do know that no noble of Sint is actually helping those daimons, right? I mean, they're not really taking that whole lot of advantage out of it, are they? Just cautiously sitting in their capital, hoping the daimons don't turn against them. They really seem like the corrupted bastards you think they are, bolstering in their capital in fear. Just to say, you can't stop a daimon from joining your realm. You simply can't. You're blaming Sint for sitting overpowered in their capital, while the daimons are acting all alone. Seriously, if Sint was actually what you claim they are, then their 20.000CS would be right with those daimons taking over regions, which it is not. And the way Bocephus is acting, well if you've got a few rulers like you blaming the guts out of him for something he can't help (even more, for something that he fears himself) is perfectly understandable. Foreign Curs 16:57, 17 October 2007 (CEST)

I fully concur with your assertion that you cannot prevent them from swearing an oath of fealty as an imperial knight. However, you seem to be under the impression that this means that one that happens, there is nothing to be done about it. Bocephus has had innumerable opportunities to have him removed from his realm. Not only has he declined to do so, he has in fact welcomed these daimonic monsters into his realm. He has even begun to boast of the strength which this has lent to his realm. Stop trying to paint Bocephus as victims in this matter. They are willing participants. The entire realm is guilty of collusion in the acts of the daimons. If they take no active part, then they have tacitly agreed in passing that it is acceptable. Every noble in Sint has had multiple opportunities to protest the actions of their government and the presence of daimons amongst their ranks. By their inaction do they signal their complicity and approval. --Dimian Indirik, King of Alluran

Banning them is committing suicide. Besides, how could you dissapprove of your own god? And moreover, where is the protest option for that? Foreign Curs 19:20, 17 October 2007 (CEST)

Allowing them to complete their mission and open a gateway for the daimon lord to pass through to our world is committing suicide as well. Do you really think the daimons will allow any human to live? And even if the daimons do not instantly obliterate Sint as well, then it's committing murder by complicity. Sint knows full well that the daimons are intent on destroying humanity. By allowing them to complete their gateway while the daimons fly the banner of Sint, they are supporting that action. Sint could have taken action to remove the daimons from their lands months ago. The fact that they face destruction now if they ban the daimons is a situation of their own making. It does not in any way excuse or lessen the magnitude of their guilt for the actions that the daimons commit under Sint's banner. As far as protesting goes, you know full well that every noble has the right to issue a protest against each of their council members. If the nobles of Sint wanted to change the policies set by the government, they could easily remove Bocephus from power and change those policies. But they won't. Like a child who hides the cookie jar to prevent his mother from finding out that he ate all the cookies, Sint is bent on committing even more crimes against humanity so they don't have to stand up and take responsibility for their own prior actions. And you are supporting them in this by continuing to make excuses for their actions. I'm surprised you haven't assembled all of your ramblings into an official Apologia for Sint. --Dimian Indirik, King of Alluran

Lets neglect the fact again that we're talking about their bloody own in flesh-and-blood god... Don't you wonder why 30 nobles haven't protested yet? No, not because they all support the daimons, but because religion goes far above their heads. You're seriously taking this 'just ban them and be done with it' too lightly. Foreign Curs 20:17, 17 October 2007 (CEST)

I think you hit it right on the head; the blind adherence to their belief that these demons are gods is clearly the driving factor (never mind the pre-existing violent religious tendencies). I don't think Dimian denies this, IC or OOC. I think his point is that this belief should be challenged! I also have a somewhat OOC worry that if it isn't challenged soon, Sint nobles aren't going to be welcome anywhere, especially if they eventually lose.AlexTurner 20:34, 17 October 2007 (CEST)

Well, of course no one would want them. They're daimon worshipers that allowed their realm to be used by bloodthirsty daimons to summon a daimon lord intent on wiping out humanity! Who in their right mind would allow someone like that to join their realm? They might try again. As for Hastur, I deny his divinity. He is bloody daimon; no more, no less. The reckoning with Sint will come, sooner or later. Either at the hands of the daimons they summon, or at the hands of a victorious human army. --Dimian Indirik, King of Alluran

(OOC: I do admit, and I have briefly discussed this OOC with the player of Bocephus, that this twist on things is really a good direction to take this invasion. The daimon rebellion in Vlaanderen? Many of the players have been expecting this for quite some time. For this exact reason, Bocephus can't object to the daimons too hard or they'll do the same to him. He's really backed into a corner on this one. He has no choice but to walk the straight and narrow line laid out for him by the daimons, or their overwhelming force will oust him from power in a heartbeat. As far as an OOC dislike of the people in Sint, I doubt that will happen. An intense IC hatred between characters? Of course. It's completely reasonable, and they should expect it. Let's face it, they didn't just try to rebel against an allied realm. They tried to bring forth a daimon to destroy humanity! What realm would harbor those kinds of people? If Heen survives, then perhaps they would. But there's also the very real possibility that Heen could also be the target of any post-invasion backlash, as well. --Indirik 23:42, 17 October 2007 (CEST))

Doesn't matter what's really happening, it's all what the characters think and see. Ignoring the inconveniant truths is always easier, and more enterntaining. I don't expect any OOC hatred either, though IC might be a rather different story. -Chénier 02:31, 18 October 2007 (CEST)

You people are so mean, stabbing without letting one speak. :P -Chénier 19:46, 31 October 2007 (CET)