Talk:Immaculate Cult

Wait, is this article serious? --bannable 23:29, 13 January 2009 (CET)

Some More Ideas

Name - Illac Moratlis Consumma - not the best latin, but losely translates to the "Path to mortal Perfection"

My only addition is that I would like the religion to focus on the paths or journeys required to ascend to noble status. The total journey would require the peasant to follow multiple paths, which are basically reflected in the maxims so far. For example you could have the "Path of Duty" which corresponds to "To refrain from the disobeying of ones superior" "Path of Truth" which corresponds "To refrain from lying" etc

These paths continue once you reach noble status, but become more complex. So Path of Duty now also incorporates your duties to the peasants below you, as well as your duty to those nobles who command you. There could also be some new paths once your a noble now that your a more perfect being the demands on you should be greater before ascending to the next level.

--Masdus

Yes It is for real.

My character Mathias and the Character Conrac in D'Hara are currently the one working on creating the religion. Though I have currently taken up most of the planning and such. I thank you for your suggestions and will consider them. Also If you come up with any more ideas please post them. --Mathias

You cannot possibly be suggesting, on the SMA island, a religion that promotes the belief that commoners can become nobles by acting nice. That is so anathema to the entire concept of nobility. Commoners are commoners. They always were, and always will be. Or that a noble could become a commoner just by being mean to commoners. Commoners are chattel. They exist to be exploited for the convenience and luxury of the nobility. I strongly urge you to reconsider. Do this on some other island. It has no place on Dwilight. (Not that I think it has any place at all in BattleMaster, but definietly not on Dwilight) --Indirik 04:06, 16 January 2009 (CET)

Really has no place. The religion is to be used to keep the commoners in line. With the hope that they have the chance to become a noble one day. BUt really no place on Dwilight. I feel you should look at some of the other religions here first before saying that I am leaving SMA. Take the WOTD. Really a belief in reincarnation is worse than worshiping dragons? Even when the nobles who worship said dragons often write rps about seeing them in the flesh. I suggest you take back that comment, and do more research before making such again.

So if a commoner can become a noble, then what separates a noble from a commoner? Why should they wait until they get "reborn" to become a noble? If that's possible, then why not now? I am aware that WotD worships dragons. No worse than Sanguis Astroism worshiping the Stars. In medieval times, the existence of monsters, devils, demons, etc, was a given. Everyone knew and acknowledged the fact of these things. And it has nothing to do with reincarnation itself. But a religion that advocates that nobles be kind to commoners? That a noble could become a commoner, or a commoner becoming a noble? That's inconceivable. --Indirik 22:03, 16 January 2009 (CET)

Okay I see where you are confused. No the religion doesn't advocate that a noble be kind to their commoners, servants, peasant whatever you desire to call them. It only says that they do not abuse them. Abusing meaning the out right killing, and HEAVY over working of ones servants. and when one is reborn what they have done during the past life is weighed, and their position in the next life is decided. So if a commoner had loyally served his master during his life, doing what was asked without question then he would be rewards in the next life. It is not up to the living to decide who gets to become a noble, but the god. Yo also have to remember that this religion is also in the very beginning stages of development, and i only put this page up for the sake of keeping an area where i can keep the notes and ideas of others. SO thank you for your thoughts, and if you have others please state them.

I don't believe he is confused at all. You seem to have missed the one line that sums up everything that is wrong with this idea, from it's very foundation up.

Indirik said:

That a noble could become a commoner, or a commoner becoming a noble? That's inconceivable.

This is how it is, and how it will always be, as far as BattleMaster is concerned. We are not here to try to modernize the game, as this joke of a religion is obviously attempting to do, but instead to put our minds into a frame of reference several hundred years old. --bannable 22:55, 16 January 2009 (CET)

Modernize? Bah. No this is no attempt to modernize Battlemaster. Have you two ever even heard of Buddhism? Which is coincidentally where I am taking a lot of ideas for this religion. I mean at least last I checked Buddhism was one of the oldest religions in the world, but please correct me if I am wrong on that. Also with such old religions as the ones I am getting my inspiration from, did they not keep their peasants in line? Yes they did. I think you two only want to see one path, and condemn any other. Again this is no attempt to modernize Battlemaster, and I am insulted to see that you think this is.

Just as a note... Battlemaster is mainly European, especially in Dwilight. Perhaps it would appeal to some people, but by and large the idea of ressurection like that would not be considered very tasteful by many.--Aerywyn 01:45, 17 January 2009 (CET)

About progression

From what you've told me so far the progression for the faithful is peasant to noble, noble to immortal living in the afterlife. I think the religion should hint at further progressions that are not revealed fully at our level of progression (not revealed to nobles and peasants). I kinda of like the idea of an endless progression, which new paths revealing themselves as a person ascends.

--Masdus

Immortality

The idea of one nobles ascending to god. Is that those that do have proven themselves true followers of the religion. Mostly this honor is to be given Martyrs and such. -Mathias

Possible Names

Here is a list of possible names for the religion itself. Add them here.

1.nemes hibátlanism (direct translation means noble immaculate in hungarian)

2.Immaculatism

3.Consummoism (Consummo in latin means to make perfect)

4.Immaculate Cult

5.Illac Moratlis Consumma - not the best latin, but losely translates to the "Path to mortal Perfection"

And Here are names for the God/ Goddess.

1. Auctoria

2. Alexius

3. Justukas

4. Putus

5. Purus