Talk:Historical Events and People/Avamar/Investigation1

Out of curiosity, who wrote this? On a purely IC level, Hireshmont absolutely LOVED to rip on Avamarians, but I personally found them enormously fun to play alongside, if at times annoying due to their habit of being.... noisy. Vellos 20:23, 20 December 2007 (CET)

• That would be me Vellos hence why I have it still but not the others. Gods only know why I kept it though, not a fun time to be sure. Anyway please rip away, it's part of the fun, just keep your head. Yes Ava-spam was annoying at times (aka: at all times), though a certain king has provided his fair share of tree killing in the past ;)--Dalakar 22:17, 20 December 2007 (CET)

So...

If I get it right, we should like the Black Hand, and it's Fontan we should all be hating... Why can't new Avamars be created, then...? -Chénier 08:26, 9 January 2008 (CET)

• It's that kind of thinking that caused the problem in the first place. Events happened and this is part of the reason why. Hating one group or the other is ill advised. Mistakes were made by all involved until things got out of hand. 'Rebuilding' Avamar is not possible, you can't cross the same river twice. What you can try to do is take the lessons and build something new and better. The purpose of this is to shed light on the past and hopefully allow a better future.--Dalakar 08:39, 9 January 2008 (CET)

What I'm saying is, we get strong reactions when reffering to the Black Hand, the subject seems to be much of a taboo... There is still deep hatred for them, but despite all this, they were not the worst party? All this because of a few cheaters? -Chénier 08:49, 9 January 2008 (CET)

• They are daemonized because of a few cheaters and lots of misunderstandings yes. It might be considered a defense mechanism, if the new players got organized like this more often they might actually stand a chance against the elders. However the actions of the 'Avamarians' after these events are not covered, and they're not innocent by any means. The whole affair tainted everyone involved. BM models human interactions quite well and though most are good, this is an example of a bad one.

If anything people should hate the Servants of Jarbosh considerably more, they've caused all sorts of trouble from I Can't Believe it's Not Butter, to helping along Rubber Duckey, to taking over Kalmar Islands just to name a few.