Talk:Redspan Revealer/December Edition 2006

Begging

Rumor has it that Darka is now begging for someone to finance their war on RedSpan. At least we haven't begged for others to come save us like RedSpan has - LilWolf 17:00, 2 December 2006 (CET)

Calling for Allies is honourable. Asking for money to fight is not. And our allies do it for loyalty and respect to Redspan, unlike darka who cant even get a realm to finance thier expedition ScottSabin 17:04, 2 December 2006 (CET)

Have you considered the possibility that Darka is currently contracted to someone else? Stomping out goat herders is a pastime for us, not a job. And work comes before play! -Pizarro

Good to know that it's all really about the money, not about honor. Darka knows nothing of honor. When you have time to get back to your extortion scheme, let us know! --Habap 15:02, 3 December 2006 (CET)

Ha! Speak not of honor when you know none yourself, friend. How honorable of us would it be to ditch our employers to raze RedSpan to the ground? We have been contracted, and we will serve our contract until it expires. Now, attacking a banker in his sleep during peace time, for the sole purpose of getting gold, is that honorable? And then claiming to have punished the assassin by taking away less gold than he took, is that honorable? -Pizarro

More honourable than fighting against a realm with out declaring war on them? As you did during the taran/Rs war? I remember we kicked your ass many times and oyu had CE and tara to help you. Lets see if you do any better this time? ScottSabin 19:16, 11 December 2006 (CET)

It sure looks like simple posturing then if you already had a contract and had no intention of coming to RedSpan. Or like simple greed if you took the contract instead of fighting to preserve your honor. The money is, was and always will be the most important thing to a kingdom of sell-swords. --Habap 21:09, 11 December 2006 (CET)

Abington has not issued a formal declaration of war against us, yet their infiltrators cause malice within our borders. It is nice to see that RedSpan and her cohorts employ a set of double standards. Darka is a mercenary realm, we have no need to declare war unless we are directly attacked. We merely join with our contractors and fight their enemies. Your troops have violated the sovereignty of Eston by crossing into their lands without permission, would you call that honorable then? And just to clarify: We did not receive help from Tara or CE. They received help from us. Insulting us because we fight for money is pointless. It is the basis of our realm. Some expand their wealth by invading others, as you have done in the past, we expand our realm by offering our services to the highest bidder. -Pizarro

Cheap and simple street-walkers. --Habap 21:02, 11 December 2006 (CET)

Call us what you want. But I suggest you save your breath for when it matters.-Pizarro

Just because you see no need to declare war does not mean that the international community does not. You are still going to war with another nations. Act like you have a pair and declare war instead of hiding behind a contract and two neighboring realms. You make enemies and perhaps their only way of striking back is to put prices on your heads. --Habap 21:09, 11 December 2006 (CET)

Fear not, as soon as our current contract expires, you'll see our banners approaching from behind the horizon. -Pizarro

Make sure you hold your coin cups out to beg for cash and your skirts hiked up to lure the johns. Oh, and don't bother attaching name tags to the backs of your shirts. We won't be shipping your bodies home, we'll just burn 'em. --Habap 22:05, 11 December 2006 (CET)

you'll see our banners approaching from behind the horizon. Ah..so your using th horizon as a shield now...i always knew you were cowardly. And we do not fear Darka they could not chaneg the face of the Taran war when they even had CE and Tara to fill out their armies, They wont be able to do anything this time. Oh and your infils are crap to....they got caught even before they reached my tent :D ScottSabin 13:12, 12 December 2006 (CET)

You had Abington and Carelia backing you, and at some point Falasan as well. What's your point? You can hardly compare that war to ours. We hadn't even shown up to settle the score, and you had Abingtonians and Carelians in your capital defending your goats. If you are so confident about our inability to defeat you, why won't you face us one on one? It seems you bit off a bit more than you could chew... -Pizarro

We anxiously await you. With no meat shields, either Darkan troops will have to act as meat shields or you will be mowed down like weeds before Da Goats. I imagine that at the very least, Darkan sell-swords will not be filling any contracts for a while. A service to all civilized realms. We have Da Grill ready for many Darkan carcasses. --Habap 16:22, 12 December 2006 (CET)

'We'? As in 'me and my realmmates' or 'me and everyone I could find to protect me'? Because if it's the first, I doubt we'll be needing much meat shielding. We'll just take the corpses of your fallen troops and put them to good use for a change. And after all that boasting, we'll be very disappointed if it turns out you're hiding behind 2,000 Abingtonian and Carelian troops. -Pizarro

Still haven't found anyone to pay for your trip? Abington and Carelia came without having to be paid. They came because they are our allies. They only way anyone would help you is if you paid them. No one loves a mercenary. Expect to be disappointed - you've been disappointing us for weeks with your mere posturing. --Habap 16:54, 12 December 2006 (CET)

I believe we should use the next contract fee to pay for some reading lessons for your people, because I have said two times before that we are still under CONTRACT. As such, we are CONTRACTED to the people who CONTRACTED us until the CONTRACT expires. And unlike you, we do not find it necessary to call in our friends over a personal matter. And then you question our honor? First you send assassins, cowards who attack from the shadows, and when we decide to hit back you immediately hide behind your friends. Very honorable indeed. If you had any honor in you, you would take responsability for your actions yourself, rather than having your friends stand behind you just in case the people you messed with turn out to be stronger than you, you spineless worms. And make no mistake, in one-on-one combat, we will tear your armies apart like wet parchment. And as for your alliance, where were you when Abington was under attack from six realms? You obeyed your arch enemies' orders rather than helping your closest friend. It seems the Darkans are more loyal to their contractors than the goatshaggers are to their federation partners. If I had a hat on, I would take it off, just for you. It's a shame I am no longer a warrior... but I guess I could tell your people a thing or two about the true nature of their masters. With some luck, they may realise they are governed by cowards. -Pizarro

It's a shame I am no longer a warrior... Wait, so, like Vatticus, you are also not coming down to fight us? How many skulking cowards with big mouths can there be in one realm? If you can't stand up to the challenge of fighting those you declare war on, don't bother declaring war. We know you only care about the money you're trying to extort from us, not some concept of honor. You reek of soap and perfume! I bet your men all wear, dare I say it, pants! --Habap 17:13, 12 December 2006 (CET)

Who said I wasn't coming down there? Even if it's not for the fighting, I'll be there for the show, and to incite religious unrest amongst your people. Who knows, I may even temporarily take a step back from preaching by the book to spread my beliefs by the sword. And I shouldn't say again that if you can't stand the challenge of suffering the consequences of your actions, you should not pick fights with stronger realms, only to have your allies behind you... or put yourself behind them, as you seem to be doing. If we do what you do and call upon our allies ourselves, we would have the exact same war we fought for years, and it would result in the thing: RedSpan weaseling out and Abington being under attack from all sides. Why don't you lot grow a pair, send your friends home and do your own dirty work? By the way, it's a rhetorical question, and the answer is 'because you don't have the spine'. -Pizarro

I'd say I'd finally gotten your goat, but I know no goat would put up with you. Your arrogance continues to amuse. You're a bully and you're trying to extort 1200 gold from us. You continue to claim to be too busy to protect your honor, claiming prior commitments. We'll believe you once you can be bothered to come down here. Until then, go boast to your volcano - it will take you more seriously. --Habap 18:08, 12 December 2006 (CET)

You know ive had just about as much of your BS as i can take. One thignn redspan has friends, Allies help each other. Are your allies helping you? No. becasue they dont want to get involved with your warmongering. Our allies help us, as we helped them. Maybe not militarly, but diplomaticly and with food and money. You see help dosent always have to be in the form of the sword. Oh and were not the ones who declare a war but dont show up. And dont give me that crap about a Contract. If you took the contract after declareing war you are wasting our time. if you ahd the contract before you declared war, then it was a false impressions, so cram it with the contract excuse, come up with another one. Redspan dosent wealse out of anything. We arnt like you, who say "sorry our contract is up we cant fight with you no more" When things go bad. But why dont we settle this once and for all. Come down here and find out what your reception woud be like. ScottSabin 18:12, 12 December 2006 (CET)

Wow, into one ear and out the other. Yes, we will come. And yes, we will serve out our contract before we do, despite the fact that you seem to tink we are using it as an excuse not to come. Also, I fail to see how signing a contract before AJ decided it was a good idea to stab our banker is 'false impression'. Are we supposed to take into account goat shaggers stabbing our banker before we agree to a contract? And how can we say "we can't fight you no more", when we have yet to run through a single goat shagger? Whether we declared war when we did or declare war when we set foot into your lands makes no difference. The declaration is merely a formality, and I'm willing to bet good money that if we had postponed the declaration, you would be crying bloody murder about the blood-thirsty Darkans invading poor innocent RedSpan for no reason, because you seem to have a knack for playing the victim all the time. And all your jabbering still doesn't change the fact that you don't have the marbles to handle this on your own. This conflict concerns neither your allies nor our own. This is between RedSpan and Darka, and you know it as well as I do. The question is, can you take responsibility for your actions instead of having others do it for you? Darka had and has every intention of keeping this straight-forward, one on one, which is more than can be said about you. You play with fire, you get burned, deal with it, but don't cry and ask mommy to kiss the boo-boo away like a crybaby, because that is exactly what you're doing. The only reason you have a big mouth is because of Carelia and Abington. Without them, you'd be begging for Darkan mercy once we slaughter your army and level your towns. And don't say it's not true either, because lying makes the Volcano cry, and when the Volcano cries, it will be raining stones, ash and lava all the way down in Stargard. In short: keep your filthy mouth shut unless you intend to make this a one-on-one fight like it's supposed to be. -Pizarro

It surprises me not at all that one who sells his services like a street-walker has no understanding of alliances. The reason one has allies is so that bullies cannot extort hundreds of gold from you. A bully always picks the smallest kid on the playground and insists on a one-on-one fight. Friends and allies stand up to bullies. Of course, all you understand is money. Bring it on, you cheap, perfume-using hoors. --Habap 19:11, 12 December 2006 (CET)

So now Darka is the aggressor? Correct me if I'm wrong, but your infiltrator attacked one of our council members during peacetime. All we understand is money? Greed is what drove AJ to perform his crime in the first place. You have just removed the only moral highground you may have had in this conflict. Either you lot are greedy, or just like to cause trouble for kicks. And don't give me the 'Oh, but we fined him 500 gold' routine either, because a) AJ is still up 100 gold and b) whether AJ or Ralph the Third gets the gold, it's all the same. Assassinating a council member over a gold reward, what more do you expect us to take on the chin and smile afterwards? Perhaps you'd like a free shot at our Judge? Our King, maybe? Heck, why not take the tour and assassinate every bounty in Northern Atamara. I'm sure everyone will just let your murderers have their way. Make no mistake, friend, you brought this on yourselves. And the looting of Abington... we did that for free, to show our allies that we are, in fact, allies. Is that friendly enough for you? -Pizarro

Greed

(new section so we don't have to scroll so much to edit) Yes, Darka is the aggressor. AJ was punished for his act. He was later punished again by your Judge in her torture chambers. RedSpan does not condone his action and he was punished. You chose to blame RedSpan for it and attempt to extort 1200 gold. We have no intention of paying.

Now, let's look at the reason so many of your leaders have bounties on their heads. It's not just because they are hated, but because your enemies would need to march through your allies' lands to get to you. Now who's hiding behind their allies? --Habap 21:13, 12 December 2006 (CET)

Did i not hear something that you just did it to show the continent that you could perfome a military action against an engaged enemy? And didnt Abington turn around and smash your army? Ah yes I remember now. Oh and it seems intelligence isnt that good up the north so let me repeat a few things. I fail to see how signing a contract before AJ decided it was a good idea to stab our banker is 'false impression' The whole fact that you declared war, knowing full well you wouldnt participate in it is just showing who you really are. Cowards, plain and simple.Oh and let me get this straight would you hav efought against MI if the NF/EA war kicked off? yes thats right there your friends. Do friends fight against each other? No i thought not, well you do.

And all your jabbering still doesn't change the fact that you don't have the marbles to handle this on your own. Doesnt it now? so how can you explain that Darka couldnt get any one to join in their "crusade against Redspan" Yes...i remember now, you king asked for help to fight against Redspan. Oh...didnt he tell you that.. maybe he missed it off. So this crap about a one on one fight is a load of bull. It just shows that Rdspan has friends that help her out, and Darka is just a lonley git, that people only be friendly with to stay on their good side. ScottSabin 21:17, 12 December 2006 (CET)

Minas Ithil, our friends? When did that happen? We joined into an alliance after they decided to join in on the Abington assault. We are mercenaries, we do not outline the course of battle, we follow it. We dropped out of the alliance as soon as the war was over. Yes, our King asked for support, AFTER we received reports of Abington and Carelia sitting in Stargard, that's a tad different from asking for support in what was, at the time, a one on one conflict. What we did is try to bring a sword to a swordfight, you brought a sword to a fistfight. And for the last time, we didn't "declare war, knowing full well we wouldn't participate in it". If a war between the NF and EA had broken out, we would have fought it until a peace treaty was signed and we were sent home, and then come to RedSpan. As I said probably a million times by now, we are mercenaries. When contracted, we can't simply bail out to go goat hunting. Our leaders have bounties because they are contract killers, not the most friendly occupation. We are 'hiding' behind our enemies because frankly, that's how the realms are located on the map. We fought against Talerium in the past, hell, we fought amongst ourselves in the past. We are merely reaping the benefits of the events that occured. Admit it, you would like nothing more than have an allied 'buffer' surrounding you. -Pizarro

We understand your money is too important for you to abandon to protect your honor. You don't have to keep saying it. We understand you worship your contracts and wouldn't give the money back no matter how stained your honor becomes.

Every realm is seeing now that there is no risk in collecting bounties on Darkan heads. If Darka is too busy with a contract, they won't bother to seek retribution. Sleep well, dear prince. --Habap 22:07, 12 December 2006 (CET)

Actually, we are paid before we even move out of Azzal on assignments, so we could very well leave our contractor's land, come down south and still have all our money. Now, would you call it honorable to abandon someone who has paid for your services? Imagine your men bailing out on you prior to a battle, after being paid in advance? Does that sound appealing to you? If that was the best closing argument you could come up with... well, let's say I wouldn't want you representing me before a judge. You are correct though, that we do not seek retribution when we are too busy with a contract. That would be very bad advertising for the Darkan Mercenary Company, not to mention a breach of contract, something your federation knows all about. Thank you so much for summarizing all that writing above. If you had been able to come up with that conclusion a bit earlier, you could have saved me a lot of ink and parchment. But better late than never, I guess. And don't worry about the money for the ink and parchment. I have a feeling I'll recover it soon enough. Tenfold, if I'm lucky. With some goat meat for dessert! -Pizarro

No, the honorable thing would have been to refund the money to your client and leave the contract immediately. Are your contracts so ineptly written that there is no escape clause? If your clients thought you had any honor, instead of simply greed, they would understand. Of course, they know you have none and are only interested in their money. They can only be thankful their enemies didn't outbid them for your services. Glory in your money.... We choose instead to Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto Da Great Goat the things that are Da Great Goat’s. --Habap 23:36, 12 December 2006 (CET)

Going back to a previous point...no we would not like having a complete ally buffer. Having one leaves a realm to fight everyone else's battles, and be left with whatever that/those realm(s) decide to give in return. And should the surrounded realm decide that's not good enough, if they do anything to change it, they're labeled as backstabbers and traitors by the rest of the world. Darka doesn't have this problem because they already have four duchies. Relating to another continent, it's exactally the situation that Arcachon was in. -- Filador 13:19, 31 December, 2006 (EST)

Plundering Suville

I guess the Abington First newspaper's report that Darka's illegal looting of Suville was not part of a contract was correct. It must have been to advertise your "superior military" to potential clients. Disgusting. --Habap 22:17, 12 December 2006 (CET)

Disgusting? That's a pretty strong statement for a pantless goat worshipper. To be precise, it was mostly for fun, and just a little bit in revenge for looting and raiding the lands of our contractor's protectorate. It's not our fault Abington left her biggest and wealthiest city wide open. Blind paraplegics could have stormed it. Suville was ripe for the taking and we took it. We took pretty much everything, really. If only I had been there myself... -Pizarro

Thank you for noticing that I wear no pants and that I fulfill my duties in worshipping Da Great Goat. It should help me to have it documented should Da Goatly Inquisition ever target me. Kradus, take note!

Raping and looting for fun? Sigh. Your lack of nobility again springs to the fore.

I hear tell that none of the troops involved made it home alive, which would make the comparison of your troops to blind paraplegics apt. Da Great Goat strikes down those that offend Him. --Habap 23:29, 12 December 2006 (CET)

First off, it is surprisinlgy fun to dish out an 'eye for an eye' punishment. Abington and cohorts plundered lands and killed civilians, Darka and cohorts plundered lands and killed civilians. It's the merry-go-round of war, and everyone paid for a ride. Are you really going to point fingers and call someone else the bad guy? Every party involved has innocent blood on their hands. Whether it is a single drop, or covering your skin all the way up to your elbows, it remains the same. Second, it is rude to take credit for other people's work. RedSpan didn't decimate the Darkan looting party, Abington did, and they alone deserve credit for their victory. I hear they handled themselves surprisingly well against the onslaught of six realms. You, however? You sat on the sideline watching. Lastly, you're talking to a former mercenary. We don't kill because it's the honorable thing to do, we kill because we are paid to kill. Whom and why we kill is of lesser importance. Given that, your comment about escape clauses is pretty much null and void. Our contractors paid for a contract, we fulfill the requirements stipulated in that contract. How would you rate a mercenary's worth if he abandons his employers for a personal matter? We'll have plenty of time to march into RedSpan once the contract has expired. When does it expire? Watch the horizon, and you'll know. All in due time, my friend. -Pizarro

Ah, of course! You kill because you are paid to. Except when you kill "for fun," as you yourself say. Typical Darkan - contradicting yourself and your own countrymen, unable to hide your barbaric and foolish nature~ House Olik

But deaths caused by looting also reap profit. So there is in fact no contradiction. --The1exile 01:29, 13 December 2006 (CET)

How is it contradictory? We were paid to be in Abington, there was no clause in our contract that prevented us from seizing any opportunity. Remember, we are mercenaries, if we have a chance to grab gold along the way, we won't hesitate. I'm getting pretty tired of all this rambling about 'Darka is only in it for the money' or 'Darka kills for fun'. We are MERCENARIES, we care little about doing the most honorable thing, we care about doing the most profitable thing. Something I've said half a dozen times befor, but it just doesn't seem to get through. And let's not forget, the Southern Federation isn't exactly cleared from guilt. You have looted Taran and Ashlantean lands, the same way the Eastern and Northen Alliances looted Federated lands. Over 20,000 civilians died in Ash'rily alone, due to your 'efforts' in battle. Judge not, lest ye be judged. -Pizarro

Deaths caused by looting reap profit? My dear little man, revenue is not profit. Did burning, raping and killing pay the cost of your army? I can tell you that it did not. You operated at a net loss! But hey - you did it for "fun," as you say, so profit matters not. As for being paid to be in Abington - try that lie with someone more ignorant. I pressed several of you and I learned from your OWN WORDS - including those of your so-called government - that you had NO CONTRACT. As for judging - that is my job, and I do it well. And the next time your pack of cowardly, dishonourable, non-noble thugs wish to come to Abington, you shall be judged for your own despicable actions again. You are worth nothing but the utter contempt of the entire continent of Atamara. Prattle on with more lies and contradictions if you wish, but nothing you say can withstand the sheer power of truth. House Olik 05:21, 13 December 2006 (CET)

Gotta correct a bit here. During Abington mission we were under contract. Contract had clause where was paragraph that we are not allowed to tell who is paying for us or why or how much. So, contract was kept hidden during that mission and mission was introduced as "show off commercial" to our nobles and foreigners. Contract is over now, but i still wont reveal who hired us... and most of all why they did it. But mission was successfull, we did what we were asked to do and same time we showed that there is no city on this continent which Darkan army cant get in and take its gold. --Jaune

You lie. Though of course it is plausible that no realm would want to take credit for any responsibility in pointlessly wasteful burning, raping and killing. Except Darka. As your countryman has already stated, you did it for FUN. Ah, such nobility! As for being able to get into ANY CITY on the continent... why, is this another statement of Darka's "superior military?" Your arrogance will be your downfall. Why don't you try getting to Suville now? Now that Abington's back is not turned, now that our army is not dealing with three or four OTHER, more sovereign realms invading? You won't. You can't. You're afraid even to march to Redspan because you know that Abington will thrash your "superior" forces. Your army is only capable of opportunistic, barbaric raiding parties when real Realms, like Minas Ithil and Talerium, do all the actual work. You are honorless. You are without mothers. You are without nobility. And you should all be hanged. House Olik 18:12, 13 December 2006 (CET)

You should correct that to say there is no city on this continent which Darkan army cant get in and take its gold while that realm's army is busy fighting 6 other realms. As noted above, your army of blind parapalegics failed to return home alive, thus operating at a net loss. --Habap 14:26, 13 December 2006 (CET)

we care little about doing the most honorable thing, we care about doing the most profitable thing. Ah, so we are in agreement. The only thing that matters to you is the money. I find it sickening and not worthy of one who calls himself a noble. --Habap 03:15, 13 December 2006 (CET)

Given that, your comment about escape clauses is pretty much null and void. So, you are fools. You write contracts poorly and sign them anyway. You aren't businessmen, you are small children running around playing with sharp, pointy things.

Neither I, nor RedSpan took credit for the destruction of the looters. Da Great Goat works through many instruments and if His instruments were Abington's troops, I cannot question His wisdom. My apologies if I was being too complex for you to understand. --Habap 03:15, 13 December 2006 (CET)

We write contract poorly? Do elaborate. But I guess from now on we'll add a clause that stipulates we can break our contract if a goat shagging shadowdweller assassinates a Darkan for profit. Which is quite sickening and not worthy of one who calls himself a noble, wouldn't you agree? As for your comments regarding 'Da Great Goat', first off, what kind of God allows for his followers to be sidelined as their allies are under attack? Is your Gret Goat perhaps a deity of cowardice and backstabbery? But worry not, you will sooner or later experience first hand that your Da Great Goat is an idol deity. He and his followers will be buried under tons of rock, ash and lava when the Day of Reckoning comes. -Pizarro 18:00, 13 December 2006 (CET)

Yes, if you fail to include escape clauses, your contracts are poorly written. I can only imagine the other deficiencies in them.

AJ's action was wrong and he was punished for it. This has always been RedSpan's position on the matter and mine personally.

Oddly, the ally seems to feel we supported them in a perfectly acceptable manner. I myself participated in many trades with Abington and occasionally fought alongside them against 'bandits' of whom I have no specific recollection. If they were unhappy with us, would they be in RedSpan now, sharpening their spears and awaiting your arrival?

Da Great Goat is, in fact, an idol diety. He is a paragon among dieties and I congratulate you for noticing. Sadly, He is neither a diety of cowardice, nor of "backstabbery", so perhaps He wouldn't suit you or Darka. I encourage you to seek further enlightentment: Proverbs to better understand Da Way. --Habap 21:54, 13 December 2006 (CET)

Been out sick

I had a urinary tract infection, so have been away for a few days. I tried logging into BM from the hospital's TV browser, but it wasn't correctly displaying the game screens (i.e. blank screens!) I should be back online later today after I am released from the hospital. 30 days of antibitotics await. I should be completely normal (and back to working full days like normal) in a day or two. --Habap 15:50, 11 December 2006 (CET)

Hope you feel better. And dont worry, all the grammar errors will be awaiting for when you get back :P ScottSabin 17:50, 11 December 2006 (CET)

Fine

Facts:

1. A fine spreads all gold deducted between all the nobles of the realm
2. That gold remains in realm unless otherwise distributed by th nobles of said realm

What the actual acceptable thing for RedSpan to do would have been to demand AJ transfer that gold and some more back to darka, or be banned. It is not acceptable to harbour bounty hunters and then give them a tap on the wrist thahat supports your own realm. --The1exile 00:40, 13 December 2006 (CET)

Ah, but that is not what Darka is demanding. If you wish to negotiate, I expect it would best conducted between the heads of state rather than among reporters. It may be possible, if you act quickly, to avoid punishment for the captured infiltrators. I wouldn't know for sure, because I am but a simple Knight. --Habap 03:24, 13 December 2006 (CET)

That is exactly what Darka demanded in the beginning! We demanded a ban on AJ and RedSpan said no. We demanded you pay us damages, RedSpan said no. Instead, you fined AJ and said that's enough punishment and as pointed above, a fine is hardly any sort of punishment since your realm got to keep *all* the gold! We tried to be reasonable and offer you decent ways out of the situation and you spat in our face. So we declared war. Don't speak if you don't know the facts of the matter you're discussing. - LilWolf 08:02, 13 December 2006 (CET)

600 Gold in damages is ridiculous. I am not privy to the negotiations, but from the arrogance expressed here, I expect it was merely a list of demands, like any dishonorable bully would provide. You are welcome to negotiate your way out of the war at any time. Please contact the King instead of the newspaper. --Habap 14:24, 13 December 2006 (CET)

600 gold in damages is ridiculous? It was exactly the amount of gold placed on Mr_Jones' head. All you had to do was take AJs bounty gold and return it. Too complex for you to grasp? -Pizarro

Oh goodness, here I've gone and confused you. 600 gold in damages plus 600 gold AJ was paid in bounty equals 1200 gold. That's ridiculous. I apologize. I thought you understood what your realm asked for. --Habap 21:00, 13 December 2006 (CET)

Contracts

It appears that the nonsense about contracts hasn't even contained the truth. Mr_Jones was assassinated on the 17th, war declared shortly thereafter and no contract yet started on the 20th. Heck, 10 days later, the King of Darka was saying, "We might even wait a bit longer and take another contract and just wait until RS gets engaged on some war and then we strike." The wise Obidan suggests "Its better that we keep our wish to go to RS lands until we got some support,or when we have a contract."

So, Darka has no intention of actually conducting a war, as the last month has shown. Nary a Darkan Dog has ventured southward to cleanse the stain upon Darka's honor. I'd bet the infiltrators around the continent are overjoyed to hear their realms shall suffer no consequences from assassinations of Darkan targets. --Habap 15:07, 13 December 2006 (CET)

Well, often we dont reveal our contracts until it is obivious or there is good reason for that. We indeed had that contract agreed when this incident happened, but same time it was not clear if we were actually needed since things started to calm with NA-MI issue. But when i heard that Abby and Carelia were giving support to RS, there was no need to hurry with that operation and we could continue our business as planned.

Does it matter when we come? Time is on our side, our fine grows intrest, RS has placed good chunk of militia and that aint free and thus eating their income. It has been a bit amusing to watch all this propaganda what RS and Abington has been giving out and making things more complicated than they are. My analogy is this: RS attacked Darka, we demanded them to cover our losses so we can show the world that we dont allow our nobles to being assasinated without punishment. RS refused, we declared war to them. We will deal with this issue when time is right. Now that RS has its allies defending them, there is no reason to get in Tandsu and watch bigger army sitting at Stargard and Meldeen. We will wait that time is right and then we come. We might come with our allies, we might come without contract, or we might come with contract.--Jaune

Maybe Darka has the right to get some sort of compensation, but 1200 gold? There is no way you could make anyone pay that much for so little! I mean, come on! It's just some worthless Darkan. Who cares if he's dead or not. By the way, did he die? You failed to mention that. -Enstance Family

Why didn't you all just hold up signs saying We don't like RedSpan. It would be just as effective. I find it comical that a realm which boasts so much about it's military prowess is now afraid to attack the smallest realm on Atamara. That must impress potential employers! Every day that passes with no action simply makes Darka look more limp and more cowardly. --Habap 17:30, 13 December 2006 (CET)

Again with the 'coward' issues. I'm going to write this in bold, capital letters, so hopefully you won't forget it this time: DARKA IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONTRACT, AND WE WILL NOT MOVE UNTIL THIS CONTRACT IS FULFILLED. The current contract requires us to be on stand-by at all times, hence, we cannot move south to attack you. As for limp and cowardly, perhaps you'd like to say that again when Abington and Carelia are not there to protect you. And finally, there is a saying: 'Revenge is a dish best served cold.' Personally, I like to serve my revenge any time, but then again, it would be amazingly fun to have RedSpan actually believe they're off the hook on this subject, lull them into a false sense of security and then all of a sudden appear out of nowhere, burn the place to ashes and kill every man, woman and goat in sight. Hmmm... maybe we should not hurry our departure at all. Maybe we should remain in Darka, fulfill a few more contracts. I wonder how long Abington and Carelia will be willing to babysit Stargard for you. -Pizarro

Abington stands by her allies. We don't need a contract, and we don't need to even pretend to make a "profit." Take your time, but again you lie - either that, or your own King lied, take your pick. Here's the reason you are not moving against Redspan by your own words: I know they already has support of Abington and Carelia, that is one reason why we arent in a hurry to get there. We might even wait a bit longer and take another contract and just wait until RS gets engaged on some war and then we strike. Do you deny that your King uttered these words? Do you deny that this shows you are cowards who can only attack when your victims are preoccupied with greater realms than your own? Do not lie to me, little one, for I have ways and ways of finding out the truth, and your ability to lie is not up to the task of clouding the issue. You may have taken a contract, yes - but you did it because you are too afraid to attack Redspan as it is now and wanted to have this handy excuse, this lie. You are not only cowards, you're liars. Face us like men, thou prattling, ignorant, sap-headed knave! Or forever be known as the whorish, barbaric pack of churls you are! House Olik 00:21, 14 December 2006 (CET)

Take your time. I'm sure the rest of the realms out there recognize your inaction for what it is. Fear. Fear of a collection of opponents that reveals what wimps you are. When you declared war, you had no contracts. You hesitated and, then, as will always be the case, were led by your greed. As you already stated, Darka has no concern for honor. Our friends are quite unlike your clients - they are not fleeting. They will come when we call and you will run home with your tails between your legs. Mighty Darka? I think not. --Habap 17:54, 13 December 2006 (CET)

You dare speak of fear, when you do not have the courage to defend yourselves without your allies? When we declared war, we had, in fact, signed a contract. I advise you not to speak of matters you know nothing about. Or perhaps you would like us to tell you when we sign contracts, so you can adjust your schedule of infiltrator attacks? And I should say this... I know of two realms in which people have enquired about the possibility of marching alongside Darka. Of course, none of this is official or even certain, it just goes to show that your comments about Darka being alone in this are grossly exaggerated. Perhaps if you question their friendship with Darka some more, they will be more eager to disprove your words? So come on, have at it! Do your worst, my friend! Let loose your anger and hate! -Pizarro

I ridicule because your realm is ridiculous. Did you forget that you had infiltrators captured? Did you think their loyalty to the gold piece would prevent them from revealing information? There are also many leaks in Darka. Just ask Eston or Minis Ithil. Or the barking Dog of Darka.

You have boasted of your military prowess, yet refuse to show it. We have no quarrel with your friends, assuming you have any that would bother with your foolish errand. I can only imagine how the leaders of other realms view you, being stalked and taunted by the smallest realm on the continent with impunity.

Since you acknowledged that you have no concern for honor, what is this about after all? It's the extortion money, isn't it? Go ahead and add whatever "interest" you would like to your fictional figures. You will get nothing and have to live with that.

By the way, who's money did you take? Eston's or Minis Ithil? Or did you take it from both? --Habap 18:27, 13 December 2006 (CET)

They will come when we call and you will run home with your tails between your legs. Are you kidding me? The Darkans aren't the ones who worship goats, for crying out loud! That is why you ridicule: because you yourselves are rediculous. I guess you couldn't find anything more honourable to worship than a stupid animal? Ah wait, you were looking for something to worship, and took the first thing that crossed your path. HAHVan Peteghem 18:35, 13 December 2006 (CET)

(OOC: that one had me laughing!)

We find nothing more noble than Da Great Goat. It pains me that you cannot see the nobility of it. I fear that you are probably one of those who hides his personal odor with soap, wears (oh, the horror of it) pants and even (may Da Great Goat have mercy on your soul) shave your beard. I suspect sobriety may even be common in Darka. I shudder to imagine a land of such people. --Habap 18:56, 13 December 2006 (CET)

You know, for someone who claims to have found many leaks in Darka, you sure are clueless about the identity of our contractor. Whose gold did we accept? 50% of the information you received from Feanor or Darmagro would have told you that. Movement orders or just chatter, a lot of it, if not all reveals who is our current employer. Perhaps your torturers failed to get proper information from our infiltrators? -Pizarro

I know of two realms in which people have enquired about the possibility of marching alongside Darka yet there are people in your own realm who are concerened about marching against Redspan, id surgest you listen to them. ScottSabin 19:04, 13 December 2006 (CET)

Actually, it's my lack of knowledge of the geography of the realms that presents the problem. Far more interesting is that you entertained offers from both sides. Another reminder that gold and not honor is all that matters to Darka. --Habap 19:18, 13 December 2006 (CET)

Which incidentally is what a mercenary realm is all about. Perhaps your next words of wisdom will be 'When it rains, it gets wet'. And like I said, you shouldn't talk too much about things you know nothing about. As a mercenary realm we are pretty much forced to listen to any offers that reach us. But then again, I'm fairly certain that any offers from you or your allies would be politely turned down. As for the people in Darka who are against hitting RedSpan... show me one realm in which everyone agrees all the time with everything that is discussed, and I'll personally deliver 1,000 gold coins to your capital. -Pizarro

I await swift payment. I Can't Believe It's Not Butter was unanimous in every decision made in the realm, all the time. Your failure to account for all options is exactly why you would be a terrible contract-writer.

You began this whole discussion with the contention that Darka acts with honor. Since it does not and you now agree that this assertion is correct, I should perhaps stop berating you for being a ground-crawling beggar with a rusty knife in his hand.

Oh, and quite obviously, you know nothing of the weather rock, for when it is raining, the bottom of the weather rock does not get wet. Unless it floods, and then it's not just raining, is it? Wait, if it's really windy the weather rock might swing on its ropes and get wet from wind-blown rain. But other than that.... Oh, but if Kradus has been drinking, and his wife, Isabella, is after him, all guesses about the weather rock are right out the window, now aren't they? Hmmmm. Guess When it rains, only Da Great Goat truly knows that which will get wet. --Habap 21:13, 13 December 2006 (CET)

A nice try, but surely you realise that the Butter realm was the result of the actions of a corrupt and twisted man. He was a dictator in the true sense of the word, and did not dicuss anything with anyone. He acted alone, his 'companions' were left in the dark as to what and why he did what he did. He even spoke in the name of other realms without even contacting them. He was nothing more than a madman. And I also believe that I have never claimed that Darka's actions were honorable. I merely pointed out that yours weren't. It is pointless to attack us over matters of honor. It seems most of your logic is based on assumptions and not facts, a dangerous way to think. -Pizarro

You stated show me one realm in which everyone agrees all the time with everything that is discussed, and I'll personally deliver 1,000 gold coins to your capital. I showed you the only such realm. It was, in fact, a single, crazed man's realm, but you put no qualifiers on your statement. Generals who ignore the simple and obvious facts and write vague orders often meet with disaster, but then you would know even less than I about being a General in Atamara. A wise man once said, The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand. --Habap 23:12, 13 December 2006 (CET)

How can anyone agree or disagree with what is discussed, if nothing is discussed? The definition of a discussion is that two or more parties share thoughts on a matter. One Rogala may have been a schizophrenic, but unfortunatly, we cannot look into his head to verify. Ergo, the gold stays in Darka. A wise man, namely me, once said: 'Read the question thoroughly before you answer it.' And even if you had been right, you would still not see any gold. I am a Darkan, remember? I could care less about doing the 'right' thing. -Pizarro 00:05, 14 December 2006 (CET)

Did you not at least learn logic? If nothing is discussed, then no one disagrees with anything that is discussed. Thus, everything that is discussed, everyone agrees upon. I knew you would not pay, for the money matters to you more than anything. Oh, and young boys are not yet wise men. --Habap 00:14, 14 December 2006 (CET)

Are you doing this on purpose, perhaps? If nothing is discussed, then nobody can agree, nor disagree. And since One discussed nothing, there was nothing to agree or disagree upon. -Pizarro

Ah, no one disagreed with anything discussed, so then, everyone must have agreed with everything discussed. Glad to see we are in agreement. --Habap 13:15, 14 December 2006 (CET)

Your goat logic is faulty. It's not that no one agreed with anything discussed. Nothing was discussed, period. As in, there were no discussions for anyone to agree with. -Pizarro

Speak Not

Speak not of battle, Hernando, for you know nothing of it. You boast because you have never even seen a battle and, thus, show your fear of battle. The comedy continues as the loudest mouths carry the smallest swords. --Habap 00:09, 14 December 2006 (CET)

I have not seen battle because I have not yet had the chance to be in one, except for a few monster hunts. I am seventeen years old, my friend, I have barely finished my training. But rest assured, when the time comes that Darka marches to RedSpan, I will temporarily cast off my priesthood and join the ranks of the Darkan Mercenary Forces once more. -Pizarro

It is foolish to brag about that which you know nothing of. Remember to write your parents before you leave, as they will assuredly want some momento of your passing. --Habap 13:13, 14 December 2006 (CET)

Yet you seem eager to boast about how fearsome you are in the face of battle with Darka, when the fact of the matter is, we have not had the time to pay you a visit eye-to-eye. We'll see who has bragging rights AFTER the dust settles. -Pizarro

Assuming your leaders ever overcome their fear of fighting RedSpan and her allies, then Da Great Goat will decide how we fare. We anxiously await your much-delayed arrival. --Habap 15:37, 14 December 2006 (CET)

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OOC: WARNING: This page is 45 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections. Since this argument is not really going anywhere - it's just Darkans and RedSpaniards exchanging insults - perhaps we should call it a draw? To be honest, after 2 or 3 days, I've grown a bit tired of it. -Pizarro 07:46, 14 December 2006 (CET)

I've found it amusing. After all, this character has nothing else to do while he waits. --Habap 13:16, 14 December 2006 (CET)

Oh, and I think he's being effective at making Darka look bad. --Habap 13:17, 14 December 2006 (CET)

OOC: not really. All he shows is that we have the power to make a discussion drag on for ages without end, drifting further away from the issue as we go along :) A wise man once said 'In war, truth is the first casualty'. Another wise man said 'A good general knows when to fight, and when not to fight.' And a third said 'Let one crime go unpunished, and you encourage the commission of others.' Those three sayings make all the rambling above completely obsolete :) -Pizarro

For most of the time, he thought, quite mistakenly, that he was talking to one of the leaders of Darka, or at least one of the experienced warriors. He also thought, again mistakenly, that honor would matter to Darka. So, yes, I guess further discussion is pointless. On the other hand, I don't think we need to worry about anyone's browser not handling this as I cannot imagine that anyone besides the 4 or 5 participants would bother to read it. --Habap 15:44, 14 December 2006 (CET)

Haha I must say, about half way through reading this I ask myself "Why did I start reading this again?" I wonder if you guys realize you both said the same thing in alternating spaces for about, oh, 48 kilobytes worth the stuff?! I could sumerize it all in one paragraph for you, using nice incomplete sentences and phrases to keep it simple. AJ attacks Darkan Judge, Darka mad, RS fines AJ, Darka thinks it's not enough since he still profited, Darka declares war on RS right away, Darka must complete contract first, RS calls in Abington and Carelia in the meantime, Darka mad, wanted one-on-one since it is a personal matter, Darkan King asks some ally for help beacuse the war won't be one-on-one, now RS enjoys making fun of Darka while they wait for contract to be fufilled. See? Simple. And it only took 10 lines. ~A Concern Reader

Thank you, John Q. Partypooper ;) For me, part of fighting a war is fighting the slander campaign that comes with it. -Pizarro

Especially since your character has never fought in a war, and thus knows nothing about war. --Habap 20:55, 17 December 2006 (CET)

After reading your summary, A Concerned Reader, I must thank you for this. I'm new to Darka and to BattleMaster itself but I have been following the events with great interest. It certainly is a most heated debate going on in here. Except even I could not be bothered reading through all of it. Jezralhm 12:36, 18 December 2006 (CET)