Talk:Republic of Fwuvoghor/Era II

Edit Wars

OK, let's see what we can do to end this edit war. I'd like both of the interested parties, Chénier and Ceorl, I believe, to post their desired resolution to this issue here. Then we can discuss this in a civilized manner, and work out what we can do to get a page that both parties feel is acceptable. I would ask both of you to keep in mind that the wiki is a cooperative effort. In a public, shared page such as those found under a root-level realm page, no one person has the right to determine what the page will show, or the exact specifics or viewpoint. In a case where the two parties have unresolvable differences, we may have to resort to a very neutral main page, and two separate subpages with each side's specific viewpoint. I would hope that we can arrive at some such compromise. We have about a week and half before the protection on the main page expires. I think that we can arrive at this compromise before that happens. --Indirik (talk), Editor (talk) 14:51, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Since that was already what I was doing, I'm in favour of having parallel accounts of RoF's history displayed. Neutrality, by past experiences with RoF and BT history pages, in impossible to obtain. -Chénier 15:57, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

I propose having subpages, such as Republic of Fwuvoghor/Era II/Republican, Republic of Fwuvoghor/Era II/Monarchist, Republic of Fwuvoghor/Era III/Republican, and so forth. I was most involved in era II, but I see things I'd eventually like to nuance or correct in all of the time periods. Having a disclaimer announcing that RoF was divided in two groups, Teroist monarchists and Qyrvagg republicans, who alternated power frequently and constantly fought for control for the greater part of RoF's history, and that as such, monarchist and republican accounts of history were different and could be found in separate documents. -Chénier 01:48, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

The republicans ousted the monarchists and took power. So i believe the official version showed in the history should be the republican version, because the republicans *ran* the government and wrote the history books. Having a link to a document which contains the monarchist viewpoint instead of the eras (which were designated by the republicans), portrays the monarchist view as the official version. In the interest of compromise however, I am open to a link to Cheners version under Republic of Fwuvoghor#Other Resources.

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There is no more Republican state. Any libraries in Fwuvoghor are now under Enweilian control. After a good book burning, the monarchist versions are now the ones to be found in Fwuvoghor's libraries. -Chénier 15:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

By your logic, because Riombara took Athol Margos, I can change everything on the Xerolco page, and post links to my propaganda, especially since Xerolco had only one region. RoF had a dozen odd regions and three duchies at its peak. Fwuvoghor library isn't all there is. Ceorl 09:42, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

That doesn't follow at all. Xerolco was put together largely by the Blood Cult, and had very little to do with Athol Margos itself because of it's... 3 day(?) existence, with all the members ending up in Netherworld (something of interest to the entirety of the island, and which opened up the possibility of humans in NPC realms where before there was none). Comparing the two is a fallacy at best and an intentional deception at worst. To be honest, the thing I find most interesting about this is that both sides of the story wouldn't be presented. Admittedly, I did lose touch with RoF after a time, but I had always thought information control and censorship was more a mark of Retravic (and perhaps, to an extent, JO) than any other ruler. --Bannable 10:45, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Riombara never ruled Xerolco. The rebel republican government simply isn't recognized as official anymore, its version could be stripped altogether. In fact, I would say we sub-page this page, and give it two links: one to the official monarchist document, one to the official republican document. The monarchist version was sub-paged on Xerolco's for a lack of a better place to put it, but it ought to be here. -Chénier 12:19, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

...with all the members ending up in Netherworld - that's neither here nor there.
Xerolco [...] had very little to do with Athol Margos - Lol? It was Xerolcos's capital and sole region. It had *everything* to do with Xerolco.
[...] the thing I find most interesting about this is that both sides of the story wouldn't be presented. I haven't stopped Chenier from writing his own version on the Xerolco page. I haven't edited his history in Xerolco/Kingdom of Fwuvoghor or given links to my propaganda from Xerolcan page.
Riombara never ruled Xerolco. It rules Athol Margos, where Xerolco's "libraries" are. Now if Chener claims that he can change this page because Enweil owns Fwuvoghor city, then i have equal rights to change Xerolcan history as i see fit, because Riombara owns Athol Margos. Ceorl 17:22, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

This should make it better. By the way, having personally ruled RoF, I can legitimately add historical content on the realm's page. The realm's dead, we are both just ex-rulers, except I actually have access to the city. You never ruled Xerolco, you were never even there, so you can't claim any legitimacy in Xerol affairs. RoF was, for the most part (at least the interesting part) divided in two pretty equal ideological factions, both exchanging rulership and other important titles rather regularly through time. If ever the need arises again, it would seem best to simply establish parallel pages as both visions are simply irreconcilable. -Chénier 01:47, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

No, it doesn't make it better. The Monarchists were kicked out of RoF. Nicolas's rebellion failed. Jean Olivier died. Retravic left. What access do you have? Your character is dead. Mordred, the same character i have had throughout in Fwuvoghor, is still alive, the last ruler of RoF, and the one who wrote the history. The entire history is written from Republican point of view, as they successfully eliminated the monarchists. Write all the pages you want, but dont link to your propoganda from this page, unless you link to this page from there as well. 07:45, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

No, you didn't. Many monarchists who lived in RoF survived. Valachi lived in there 'till close to the end. The monarchists won, the republicans were cast out of Fwuvoghorian lands. As for propaganda, the account was originally a short and relatively neutral summary, you've added propaganda elements to make it undesirable. If you really want to justify your censorship by saying "I've got the right, since I'm the victor", then it'll be my pleasure to rewiew the whole thing for historical corrections, because the monarchists, under Enweil and Avalon, are the victors. Notice the only part I touched was the part in which the monarchists actually ruled or held extreme power, I ain't playing with the sham of Era III. -Chénier 11:57, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

It is you who dont have the right. Valachi is in netherworld. Think he is busy changing libraries in Fwuvoghor? This is RoF page. not Enweil page. Ceorl 12:10, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Exactly. Stop thinking this is your own little personal page and that you are the sole owner of it. It isn't. -Chénier 12:17, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

EVer heard that the winners write history, Chenier? Sad to see you still haven't gotten over what happened two years ago. Ceorl 16:40, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that's why I let your shameful propaganda stand for so long without correction. Now that you were cast down, corrections were in order. -Chénier 20:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

First get your reasoning straight- Are you arguing it should be there because "Mordred was cast down" or because you want to add to the history of BM? Again, Enweil did not destroy RoF- Avalon did. But they can add their propaganda to the Enweil or Avalon page, not link to it from this page. And even so, just because you take a city doesn't give you the right to change the history given in the official records- If you can do that to RoF, i can do that to Xerolco. Having it here portrays it as the official version of history, which it is not, as far as RoF is concerned. The realm was republican till the end, notice i am talking about the *realm*, not the city of Fwuvoghor. If you want a link to your account of the history, make a new page where all alternate histories of various realm can be put. Dont put it on the official realm page. Ceorl 08:06, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

You two are so cute! When does the hair-pulling start? -Capet