Talk:Redspan Revealer/November Edition 2006

A word from Vatticus Vashmere. To the editors.

You listen to me you disgusting, animal worshiping, filth-mongering pigs...This war is not a war of "us against our own lifestyle", its a war of BIG MONSTER CRUSH little goat...

Your god is a retarded mockery and a vision from a drunk who fell off a barrel. Darka is a merc realm that has no care whether you understand this or not..we simply are the bigger, better, more dangerous and more serious beast here. While your comedic realm of morons and dirt-snorters wonder why this is happening ...you will be burned, looted and stomped...goats eaten...homes flattened.

You are lucky I am not going to be on the front line..or you would be eaten as well.

Here's what you fail to understand about this war...

You say, this is similar to us taking contracts to kill for money...YES you are RIGHT! It is the SAME thing...but here's what you fail to see. Darka does NOT take contracts on allies (and we punish who in our realm does), nor do we wonder why or question why our enemies fight back. We kill for gold, and those we kill fight back..its how wars are started, and how wars are ended...we don't expect our targets-of-war to wonder why they need to fight back...we simply know that marching forward and killing them will bring the actions of war, because if it didn't, it would be a realm of pathetic sissies begging for peace, weaponless and helpless.

We attack..and we kill...for gold..and those we attack fight back, and fail..because Darka is stronger. It is vicious and shark-like, it doesn't question our victim's need to fight back...

Now you did the same...your assassin attacked a high court official of Darka, and now you wonder why we fight you? Oh you disgusting bags of maggot-ass....we fight you because you swung first, and failed to ban, or punish the man who started this war...

So...my advice to you, you strange crowd of muddy-faced goat-headed zealots of the barnyard...your all going to die until we are satisfied. You started this...and now we fight back.

Saddle for you, when we do this sort of thing we come with an army of incredible size and organized strength...you simply sent one man to collect 600 gold...and now are left with a hoard of mercs who have no care but to kill you for gold.

You fools...this isn't political...its fracken war...you kicked the bee hive, and now you bitch about bees!!!?

Bwhahahahaha!

Cant wait to own a few of your heads for my mantle.

I always hated your stupid realm. Such undereducated realms that promote animal worship need to be erased before such practice takes over and brings humanity to an all new low.

Die goat....die.

PS-This is a personal note..not from my government. Lucky for me, I doubt they will ban or fine me for attacking my ENEMY...but of course..if I wrote this while we were allies..id be banned, fined, hung or all three...you stupid beasts.

(ooc: Ex- thanks for the spellchecking...sadly I am on a comp with no such program...was going to spell check it at home..but thanks dude!)

Vashmere 23:26, 17 November 2006 (CET)

Vashmere, I remember the time when Darka said. "Were are not a political realm. Just a mercenary one" It seems that this was a lie. You are fighting against your own way of life. You feel threatened. Like the big bully when some one new encroaches on his territory. You have to resort to violence and intimidation.

Let me tell you Myself and the Rest of Redspan will not be intimidated, or be forced into oppression.

You are lucky I am not going to be on the front line..or you would be eaten as well.

It seems cowardice reigns supreme in Darka. You say all this yet you do not fight? I see a yellow streak appearing.

we fight you because you swung first, and failed to ban, or punish the man who started this war...

And you might want to get your facts right. AJ was fined, he was punished. Yet you still could not accept it. Now YOU will face the consequences.

Your (not yours exactly, as you are to cowardly to come and fight) soldiers will die in Redspan. They will go home defeated as they did during the Taran War.

Good day to you.

ScottSabin 12:32, 18 November 2006 (CET)

"AJ was fined, he was punished."

Oh yes, a fine. He pays the gold right back to your realm and he'll probably get it right back. I'd hardly call that a punishment of any sorts. The fact of the case is, one of RedSpans nobles stabbed a council member of a realm you were at peace with and RedSpan has refused to take appropriate measures regarding it. There is no double standards from Darka in this as any reasonable noble can admit that stabbing a council member of another realm is just asking for a war, no matter any bounty. - LilWolf 13:48, 18 November 2006 (CET)

That is where we disagree. If that man has a bounty. He is a target for everyone. Someone put out a contact AJ completed it. And double standards i do believe exist. Darka fight wars when they are at peace with realms. Heck, they even fought against REdspan during the Taran war for nothing except profit. That war had nothing to do with darka, but they kept butting in for sake of their own purses. Its about time someone played the game with their own rules! ScottSabin 15:31, 18 November 2006 (CET)

Man, wake up! If Darka accepts a contract and fights a realm, it's normal that the realm Darka fights, fights back. Now the roles have switched: AJ (representative for Redspan) has accepted a contract against Darka, and Darka fights back.Van Peteghem 16:01, 18 November 2006 (CET)

I'm not disputing that. Its the fact that they claim Peace means something. Redspan has always been at peace with darka, That didn't stop them attacking us. And it didn't Stop AJ attacking them. Yet they shout about it. They have had someone beat them at their own game and they do not like it. ScottSabin 18:24, 18 November 2006 (CET)

Beat us at our own game? This is where you begin to lose sight of the matter. Let me clue you in. YOU ARE DEAD. You didn't beat anyone. You stupid little FARM of a REALM is going to be savagly dismantled until we are satisfied with our revenge. This isn't some "political" war as you seem to HOPE it is. It is thousands of VERY ANGRY mercs, fighting for more then some CONTRACT. Your stupid Law fined him you say. Yes you fined him for LESS gold then he earned from his attack. You didn't FINE his action. You supported it and TAXED it...benifiting just the same.

Oh no goat-herder...you didn't beat anyone at any game. This is NO GAME, this is war..and if you all don't submit and surrender what we demand in return for your murderous and underhanded attack on a sleeping offical of our nation...you and your primitive way of life may be erased from the face of the world as a whole.

Vashmere 23:35, 18 November 2006 (CET)

As part also in the federate members of Redspan, I believe that Vatticus has and no rights to voice out for his fellow Darka countrymen. Yes, in terms, AJ did something that can hurt his own realm diplomatically but even that, he have every rights as an infiltrator to claim his price. How if a Darka member attacks you? Same goes here. What I see now is that Darka refuses to let Redspan punish their own countryman their OWN WAYS. It will be unfair if the table was turn instead. This are only opinions and Vatticus in the other hand, cannot mock Redspan. He himself got banned like for more than 3 times in the same continent? Why should he voice out his immature speech that seriously have no gain of anything? My main reason to voice out is only Vatticus's speech that is rather insulting and stupid and no other than that.--Alex 00:56, 19 November 2006 (CET)

Had a Darkan infiltrator stabbed a council member of a realm we were at peace with and had that realm demanded a ban on him, he would have been banned. Darka doesn't tolerate unsactioned actions from its infiltrators. And the so called punishment handed out by RedSpan leadership is more of an endorsement than an punishment, thus Darka does not accept it. - LilWolf 10:39, 19 November 2006 (CET)

First off, Vatticus (me) was banned 5 times, you retarded loaf of meat. Secondly, I was banned for orginizing a world wide cult to overthrow the corruption of the "good aligned" Nobles and realms of this world. I can DO and SAY whatever I please...and I will continue to mock Redspan. Not only for its pathetic religion, but also for its inability to bathe, read or speak in full sentences. They are grotesque and hamburgers of filth. Lastly, if a Darkan assassin did what this Redspaner did, he would be thrown into the volcano you retard. Darka doesn’t allow this sort of thing. We are very strict on our laws. I think this is proven by the fact that even a wild dog like me shuts up and follows orders. I do it out of respect for a realm that has REAL laws…not just a bunch of fools acting and speaking like they were driven by the mentalities of little children playing some game.

Redspan is a blight on this planet's face. And a filthy one at that. Vashmere 07:36, 19 November 2006 (CET)

Hahaha! You never stop to amuse me Vatticus! Such childish act and words. Banned 5 times and you are happy? What bafoon are you!? Check your bans and read it! Your mouth is the cause of your ban! If I ever see you in my scribe, I will kill you instantly! To be fair, let the people see your death! I will duel you to the death! Do whatever you do best. It isn't working but more swords will be pointing at your neck even more.

Had a Darkan infiltrator stabbed a council member of a realm we were at peace with and had that realm demanded a ban on him, he would have been banned.

You or I could say this but we never know what will happen if it truly happens. Just for one man, you bring thousands to die because of that? Seriously, have you ever think of the people? Of the army? The army is the one dying and suffering not the council. For whoever that never enters the war, will never know how suffering the army is. It's only death awaits them. If they successfully came home, less than a week, they are back in the field. Wounds can be heal, scar will remain forever but death isn't returnable!--Alex 02:07, 20 November 2006 (CET)

OOC: They're peasants - no noble in this game has to care about whether they die in battle or of the plague or of the volcano exploding - particularly not Vatticus. --The1exile 02:38, 20 November 2006 (CET)

OOC - Well, there are heros. And infiltrators, or any other noble who has a ban on him in a realm he may be fighting, or nobles with sufficiently low honour or prestige as to qualify as outlaws... House Olik 02:43, 20 November 2006 (CET)

OOC: Lets just say that I'm making a roleplaying here. There is surely some noble that will be thoughtful and kind in heart to believe this. --Alex 02:47, 20 November 2006 (CET)

Seeing that I was the Arch Priestess of Darka up until a short while ago, I can say with confidence that such an infiltrator would be banned. Lavigna is now the Arch Priestess, but I can say with confidence that she'd do the same. It is RedSpan that's endangering its own people by refusing to ban a single noble, so don't start crying that it's Darkas fault. I you don't want to see peasants suffer then I suggest you ban AJ or pay the gold that has been asked. - LilWolf 10:12, 20 November 2006 (CET)

You want gold in comoensation? How about you compensate all of your victims? I dont remember you paying for the death and destruction you casued upon Redspan or Abbington. Or any realm you have fought! When you do pay those realms then we can think about giving you gold. Until then your soldiers will die in far away fields! ScottSabin 11:12, 20 November 2006 (CET)

Darka wants AJ banned. But we give you another way to solve this mess what RS caused since AJ is veteran RS warrior. So, instead of banning him, you can pay fines or face war and pay fines. Nobody has ever asked any compensation from Darka and i doubt we will pay anykind of compensation. Usually realms are happy when conflicts we are involved ends. Let see how long it takes that RS is happy to pay the fines and admit their crime and mistake. Jaune

How about all the realms that Draka have fought as mercenaries claim compensation Would you pay them? No of course you wont. That is why Redspan will not pay compensation for Mr_jones. And as been stated you will be made to pay for the war that you have declared. Your Judicial system is different form Redspans. So is your thinking. We will soon see who will be regreting this very soon. ScottSabin 18:16, 20 November 2006 (CET)

Ofcourse i would pay it if i see it profitable, but very often we get gold for fighting, not for ending or avoiding fighting, so i cant see many occasions where our target would have position to ask compensation of anything. Time will show if we get our gold, if this just drags long enough i'm afraiding that RS will not have that gold to pay ;) Jaune

Gauihu's comments

Ah, so many words from the renowned Vatticus. Truly, if this example of reasoning is all that the false realm of Darka has to offer up to excuse yet another instance of arrogant, hypocritical warmongering, then one might easily suggest that Darka's days are numbered, and that this is in the best interests of every sovereign realm in Atamara. And there is to this day a special place in our hearts - and dungeons - for every criminal 'mercenary' scum that ever oozed out of, or into, Darka. House Olik 23:44, 18 November 2006 (CET)

So this is where the great Gauhiu comes out? False realm? Mercenary scum? Why's that? Because your enemies are always quicker to hire Darka? Look, when Darka accepts a contract, then the Darkan troops are dispatched under the command of the realm that hires them. It is not Darka that fights, it are troops recruited by Darkans but hired by other realms that attacked. Every realm that came to stand against the hirer and Darka because of the contract had every right to fight back. Be my guest. But if you blame Darka for that, then you should look up the meaning of the word mercenary. If team B hires a player from team A, and that player scores for team B in a match against team C, then team A has nothing to do with it, does it? On the other hand, AJ attacked Mr_Jones alone, all by himself, that is a personal attack. See the difference and keep your rediculous comments for yourself. Van Peteghem 17:18, 20 November 2006 (CET)

A false realm in more than one way. One, in that it is by their own words a "Mercernary Company." Two, in that their policies contradict even that role. It is fact that Darka was not under contract when burning, raping and killing in Abington. And they are not under contract now in bullying Redspan over their dispute with Redspan's internal justice system. It seems at one moment they wish to hide under the cloak of "we're only mercenaries!" and at another, the cloak of "we're a real realm! how dare you insult our honour!" The truth is that regardless of what you say, that realm acts in every way a warmongering, opportunistic, honourless bully. These comments are only "rediculous" in that some in Atamara choose to ignore what is by now a plain fact in this matter. House Olik 17:48, 20 November 2006 (CET)

The basic arguments from RedSpan seems to be that a mercenary realm should just lie down and take a beating unless someone pays them to do something. This is, of course, completely ridiculous. - LilWolf 19:01, 20 November 2006 (CET)

I wasn't aware that an infiltrator acting on his own against some high council member constitutes a "beating." Is Darka really so sheltered, that they believe it to be so? I've gotten used to assassination attempts as a matter of course. Darka should grow some stones... and perspective. House Olik 19:11, 20 November 2006 (CET)

I was speaking figuratively. Anyway, the reason why you're so used to assasination attempts is because you and your realm let them slide without consequences. When you stab a Darkan council member, you can expect to pay for it, thus it is rare to see anyone do it. - LilWolf 19:47, 20 November 2006 (CET)

Without consequences? You might wish to ask Tank about that. You could try asking I Will Survive, but I don't think he's in a position to answer... The difference is, I lay the blame on criminals, not entire realms. And so it is that criminals despise me. Perhaps no one attacks Darka judges because Darkan judges are known to have no concept of justice, and because they are worthless and unimportant. House Olik 19:53, 20 November 2006 (CET)

Gauhiu, unlike most mortals on this planet, my respect for you is quite large. I will not sit here and try to explain why my realm (false or not) has taken arms up to beat RS to the ground. You know very well, in your heart, soul and HEAD that no creature will be biten without biteing back. The whole debate on Darka's politics, weather or not we are just in our cause, or if Darka has a RIGHT to fight the goat-worshiping-fools is a moot one at best. Fact remains that Darka will punish Redspan for not dealing with this manner in a way that DARKA finds worthy of such a crime. If Darka is wrong, so be it. If Darka is a bully, again, so be it. Darka does not HAVE to care, Darka simply has to crush and eat goat meat. You wish to enter some man-made law into this? Some sort of belittling of Darka's politcal nature? Foolish indeed. Becuase when a beast roars it will attack, and the beast is loud and hungry here. I have said before, I do not speak FOR my realm, I speak for VATTICUS and the Gods of Sother...it just so happens we agree on this subject and possibly many more. Abington is free to speak on any matter they wish, but they are NOT free to decide what anger comes from being attacked by an inflitrator. Armies fight wars, and no man alive can hold that agaisnt one army...but NO REALM or MAN is to stomach the actions of the lowly class of inflitrator. Why some men try to protect an inflitrators "right" to bounty-hunt is beyound any inteligent man's reasoning...there is NO EXCUSE for such scum, and when they do their foul work, it is work of a criminal nature. Bounties are criminal. Collecting them is criminal...any realm that dosnt punish such criminal acts is one that makes dresses and wears them. You may mock my voice and way of speaking, but no man with a SACK can say I am wrong and still feel as if they are true...Its the truth of the matter that any inflitrator who works, is one who slithers and sneeks across the surface of this crap-hole planet. Far be it for a JUDGE to even question the punsihment of such a creature as a lowly inflitrator. Like I said, lord Gauhiu, I am one of the FEW who respect you...even in the face of a realm such as Darka who mostly wants to see you dead...but do not mistake me for a fool. My desires to kill the goat-worshipers stems from actions way before this little deal of inflitrator-vs-banker. This simply helps my personal desires and suits me fine. I want them dead, and it pleases me now that Darka shares the same desire. Vashmere 19:19, 20 November 2006 (CET)

Ah, Vatticus, Vatticus. You should have been exposed at birth, for you are both foolish and mad. Where to begin with your long rant? You criticize infiltrators as criminals - yet you are one yourself! Darka's actions have been criminal as well, where was your hypocrisy then? You say you do not speak for your realm... and yet you would have AJ be a representative of his realm indeed, if it suits your need for an excuse to indulge in bloodletting. But you speak true, whether official or no, of when you say Darka can afford to thumb its nose at the international community. It can ignore justice - just as you have. It can ignore what is right and what is good. It can ignore everything from logic to reason to sanity itself in its pursuit of mindless, criminal antagonism. And you can find just what this type of attitude will gain you. I look forward to your enlightenment. House Olik 19:35, 20 November 2006 (CET)

Vatticus stated "My desires to kill the goat-worshipers stems from actions way before this little deal of inflitrator-vs-banker." So, his postulation is merely an ex post facto justification for going to war. Sounds like a bully to me. --Habap 19:45, 20 November 2006 (CET)

So...

Mr Jones got a 600 gold bounty on his head? Sounds like he was rather unpopular with at least one realm. I think we call that "chickens coming home to roost". I wonder who put it on his head and why Darka is afraid to go after that country and instead picks on Redspan. --Habap 19:24, 20 November 2006 (CET)

Also, nice to see that the one who speaks the loudest carries no stick at all. "You are lucky I am not going to be on the front line." I always thought it best to speak softly and carry a big stick....

I do not speak the loudest within Darka, I simply speak here while the rest arm themselvs and prepear for war. Yes, I wont be on the frontlines of this war...why? because I have other duties within Darka, and the fact that Redspan, like most realms, will hang me if I am captured. There is not risk to the nobles of this war, but there is much risk to me in this war if I was to enter it... Vashmere 19:43, 20 November 2006 (CET)

Good to know you are so willing to risk others lives and not your own. --Habap 19:46, 20 November 2006 (CET)

Whos life is risked here? Peasants? Foolish to even care about such wasted lives... Nobles do not die in such wars. I would be hung. I refuse to risk more then any other Noble. Besides, I am worth much more to this world then you normal mortals. I here by declare to you, I am immortal for more then one reason, and my death is a thing this world will never know...and that is a promise. I'll have the joy of pissing on your grave one day, saddly for you, you will never have the chance to leave black roses on mine. Vashmere 19:53, 20 November 2006 (CET)