User talk:Vashmere
- User Vashmere has shown an inability to comprehend the Game Concepts since he started playing. He has been reprimanded for this by other players OOC in-game, until they could not tolerate his disruption any more.
- When he bagan writing in-game I (in RP) welcomed his character as one of high ideals and imagination. I encouraged his professed intention to record a detailed history of our shared (at that time) realm. What he actually did was try to impose an alternate fiction on all other players and insist OOC that he knew how to play BattleMaster better than those who have played for two years and more.
- After only a few days of playing he was producing such a volume of useless chatter that several players complained both OOC and in RP that they could not sift through it all and be sure of finding relevant postings. This overburden of uselessness caused some quite seasoned players to discover that the "Ignore" option, which had been inoperable for a long time, was now working as expected. Every day after, for more than a week, other players responded with glee that "ignore" was giving them relief from the nonsense. Unfortunately those with more responsible characters could not afford that option.
- I have never insulted the Player Vashmere nor his Computer. If I had, he should produce evidence of such. There is a big difference between reporting poor behavior and making a personal insult. However, User Vashmere has threatened me personally in my "User talk" page without showing cause. Recluse
Vashmere here.
Ummm. no you are wrong.
1- this entire post is another insult to me as a person.
2-Its an insult since it is mostly a lie. Yes people got upset that my PC talks alot, and yes he was interfearing with battle orders, but he was also "trying" to do just that. he single handly stopped the war from functioning more then oncer with nothing more then a pen and a few scribes. People got angry and started OCCing my about it. So, I retorted with a plesant "Guys, i know how to play, ive spent the past days reading every wiki etc etc, I am a dungeonmaster for 21 years and I am an adult who is doing somthing here for a story"
They then proceeded to twist those sort of points as me saying "You don't know hgow to play like I do! I am a better player then you! etc etc" That is poppy cock just like you being here doing this now.
3-You also insulted me by putting a caption on top of every page of mine that said I was a "meglomaniac"...This could have be construed as you meaning my PC, but you put the header ontop of other PCs of mine (the same header) on ALL of my PCs. Only one is a maniac of any kind.
4- You keep saying that what my PC is saying about his history is impossible and agisnt the rules. No such rule has been found, no such rules deams me wrong or a cheat. Its harmless roleplay AND possible insainity on behalf of a madman...whats the big deal?
Stop this...remove this...
Vahsmere here again.
Just wanted to add...you will be the first of many who fill the wiki with problems with my plan, mythos and story that will unfold in the lands of BM. there are enough of us among you to see us as a stable growing group. What are you going to do???! OOOOH NO!
Look dude...grow up. The Mythos that you and the handful of other players dissagreed with is nothing to upset game balance or destory the laws of Tom. infact, everyone involved in this mythos we invented greatly respect Tom (infact love him) and his game (in fact love it).
So...let the hate mail flow
Not sure if I understand all of this...
But, if you think he's being a pain IC, ban him. Although really, you can't make up a past that didn't exist in your continent, that much is true (you can't RP around game mechanics). --The1exile 01:39, 4 August 2006 (CEST)
Vashmere here.
Actually you can "claime" to be from another world. At what risk? being called a crazy man...and if dozens of crazy men are saying the same thing, you have a cult of crazy men.
I have read from countless pages where people added harmless NPCs, madeup gods, other worlds, animals that don't exsist, claimes to be related to elves and what not...And some of that made its way deep into the history of the game.
The problem with this guy saying my PC can't say he is from anotner world is- that he can! He can also say he is a monkey, a hippo or a sandwhich...
As for him saying the problem was OOC, it wasn't. it was less then 5 people pissed off cus my PC wrote long messages and many of them. But he was a peace lover and an activist agisnt war...he was protesting and clogging the information flow of that war.
Nevermind...lets just put it this way, there are now new gods in BM, and me and a bunch of players have decided its time for them to rise. Deal with it however you want...ban, hate, laugh, ignore...its your call. But there will be a new mythos added.
Unless it's on EC, or perhaps FEI, I don't really care. But understand that the other characters will dislike it and sending a large amount of messages is spamming. You can disguise it as IC "disrupting the info flow" of the war, but frankly, tahst what it is. if you have to, keep it shorter, or send it to your cult. --The1exile 02:18, 4 August 2006 (CEST)
Vashmere here. Well the thing Recluse seems to forget is that there were many people loving my form of roleplay, asking for more interaction and playing along. All three of my PCs are currently loved by many players. I have alot of players saying things like "I love reading your posts, keep it up". In fact, i get far more of these types then bad views on the way I post and play.
I think I actually have the last known sent letter from King Carriantor, sent hours before he left. His words are being kept saved on file for possible future publishing. But I am afraid to show them becuase they sided with my PC and were very friendly in secret conversations agaisnt some very high ranking people. The entire thing is blown out of truth's limits by less then 5 players who started a OOC fight. I have saved the entire log of it incase these people wanted to twist it in their favour (like they are doing). I will be the first to admit, I got angry and spoke wrongly in OOC fasion...but that was well after these players went as far as to say (ooc) that I sucked at this game, shouldnt play, and that BM wasn';t a kind of game for me.
I was angered and I even said I was sorry. Saddly, people took this to an IC level, and got ruthlessly rude. This also resulted in my saying OOC that what they were doing was really wrong. I have that post too (the first OOC I ever typed), It was me being polite and saying that it was offensive to hear people being so rude to my personal self as a player...they returned with things like "cry baby" and "awwww is the big dungeonmaster complaining? Just go away".
Anyway. I have made alot of friends in Abington (one wanted to follow my PC around the world to simply see what Id say and do next). Alot of players actually stood up for me many times saying people were being rude becuase they don't enjoy roleplaying and insist its just a button pressing get-the-gold game. I am a roleplayer who thinks very deeply about PC motivation and way of being...this is why I love this game.
Annyway...I have many letters from very high ranking Nobles, and well respected players sideing with me in private. I wont share that info, but if they read this perhaps they can verifiy what I am saying is true.
lastly...I must say again, I WAS very wrong getting angry. I said I was sorry , they did not. The writing that was said to be "too much" was printed out to be just under 5 pages in over 7 days...if THAT is too much relivant posting for a roleplay game or a normal player to read, I feel bad for the reading habits of those types. I read books, lots and lots of books. Some people don't mind reading interesting posts...I know i look for people's long written stuff. Some of the best roleplayers Ive met are in Abington, its sad that I have been reduced to talking to them in emails.
Peace.
If you have any problems like this in future, I suggest you instead postto the RP discussion list. This way those that don't want to read it don't, whereas those who do enjoy good RP (such as myself) will read it. But please don't bring any conflictsb with Recluse to the wiki. --The1exile 14:05, 4 August 2006 (CEST)
Vashmere here um dude...he made this page...and has been defacing my pages with insults. Ummmm,,,,I'm a new player whos just trying to be left alone by him. And well, you came here and added to his crap, so I had to retort. Soooooooooooo....take you own advice and don't post here too...shhheeeesh. People around herre. You can not add to a problem then point at the problem and direct it.
Can someone erase this page? I won't erase his work...he put it here and I want it gone.
I meant instead of posting your RP's to the realm post to the list, or everyone in your mythos. I am trying to help you ifnd an alternative that doesn't make 5 players dislike you, whether unfounded or not, maybe they have a point. Also, I think you are confusing people by saying PC; many of us haven't done D&D, BM is not meant to be D&D. The community usually uses the word character or failing that, the shortened version "char". This would explain the original statement by Recluse saying he never insulted your computer. Do you see how these things get ocnfusing, and the lack of communication is a problem? To him it may well semem like you are blaming it on your computer that it is streaming out longwinded RP's that he has no interest in.
I think you would be looking for Meta:Delete Request.--The1exile 14:34, 4 August 2006 (CEST)
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Outer Tilog
You mention Outer Tilog on your 'Evil' pages. If you're interested in the colonies, your insane blabbering (and I say that not as an insult), and evilness would be very welcome there. Of course, don't expect to be able to start your Cult there, as agreeing to follow laws would, of course, be illegal. AlexTurner 16:34, 10 August 2006 (CEST)
Character page
Moved your character page so that the links under the title work hope you don't mind. --The1exile 13:12, 16 September 2006 (CEST)
Thanks Not at All! Thanks! I am still too new to get alot of stuff right...Im shocked i learned this much, and everything I learned was from looking at what people did to fix my mistakes....thatnks homey. Vashmere 15:25, 16 September 2006 (CEST)
Requesting Defayo's services
Greetings, I am Doc of the infamous Primus family...we are in need of a crest worthy of our name. Do you think you can pull it off? Your family would recieve a mention and full credit for this crest in our Family page if it is approved. My son in Atamara mentioned that Defayo was an Artist of sorts, so I figured I would send him a letter and see if he still worked in the business--or not. Cheers Doc
Please don't delete the top section
It clarifies both the characters and the user's motivations and actions. Had I not read it, I would have assumed that the player was unbalanced, not just the character. Well played, but I can imagine how it could be deathly annoying to some. --Habap 20:12, 20 November 2006 (CET)
- Hey Brian, trying not to rain on your parade or anything, but medals aren't supposed to be waved around. Again, I'm not trying to bash you or anything, just a friendly pointer. Especially the really experienced players don't like to see medals waved as authority. Also, I'll confess, when I first saw the BC pages, I was a little weirded out on a player level too. Its natural human instinct. What MATTERS is that people go, "Okay, well, I'll get to know him anyways", and stop reacting, and begin responding. I mean, before the first stable and sane OOC message comes or whatever, and the only part of a player someone has had contact with is their character, it is natural to make a connection (especially seeing as many players tend to play their characters very similar to their own personality/psychological state). But after some OOC conversations, that initialn reaction is supposed to go away, and the game should foster friendship. Its a problem when people CONTINUE to have crappy reactions. Anyways, I'm not trying to lecture or anything, just some thoughts. Vellos 17:01, 22 November 2006 (CET)
Yeh Thats great advice if it was true. In an OOC, wiki-sense I can mention my medals and anything I wish. The rule is to not mention it in-game or to ask where they came from. Never did I say one player with medals is anything more important or abetter then one that dosnt...I simply said that though some people tend to find my "insane" Noble to be nuts, my medals should show that I actually pay attention to the game and the desire to bring fun to more then just myself...So, thanks for the not-lecture, but I think I'm doing just fine with what and how I write...ok? Cooool...thanks again. (this was OOC...not in game) Vashmere 17:20, 22 November 2006 (CET)
OH and You said "people tend to play characters very similar to their own personality/psychological state", this I think is due to the fact that most players don't take months building an idea before they begin to play one. Each of my Nobles I am playing have been around for years..many many years...in short stories, table-top games and what not. I build my characters to be grand and filled with depth. Those that try to lable or understand everything about anyone I play on here, from one interaction or a single wiki-post are really barking up the wrong tree. (this was ooc again...) Vashmere 17:31, 22 November 2006 (CET)
- Though after reading his user page... I really have to wonder about the Recluse chap... I think he vandalized the Oligarch page too maybe, or maybe that was someone else... Vellos 17:04, 22 November 2006 (CET)
- Nope. He was in a single-edit dispute over a region page. Otherwise his contributions (other than this dispute) have been non-controversial and beneficial to this wiki. --Habap 23:32, 22 November 2006 (CET)
Your thing about not mentioning it in game? "you should keep quiet about it and not brag." No mention of only in game - I'm not saying you're a bad player, and I personally have felt great every time I got a medal, but they are not things that should be waved/pointed at, etc. - you shouldn't have a need to use them in any OOC argument. --The1exile 18:00, 22 November 2006 (CET)
Oh no doubt...I fully agree. I wasnt mentioning medals to brag or say "heeeey look! I got medals" I simply was saying, that when I wonder if a certain player is being a dick for disruptive reasons or is he just playing an in-game dick, I tend to check the player out...If I see a bunch of medals, or a long history of game play. or alot of wiki-work, I tend to think "they are trying to add to the game" and not just some juvinile trouble maker. Yknow? I mean, I'm far from the most mature player here, heck Im a fricken trouble maker of sorts if I must say...and in real life Im not the nicest person you ever met thats for sure...But when someone refers to the insults placed on this page by Recluse as being "a good way to understand ME as a player" I tend to think they are failing to look at more informing things to understand what I am attempting to do in-game as a player. There is alot of crap I've added to this game (worthy of high-5s or not) and I wouuld like to think that stuff has more of an impact on what kind of player I am ten what this Recluse guy wrote...but hey...I guess im just nit-picking. I dont care about medals...they dont do anything for me as a person. What I really like is reading what people write, looking for really indepth roleplays and just pretending I am actually in the world of BM. I dont care bout stats, or mechanics or medals really. So I understand what you are saying, Im sorry if it came out that I was somehow bragging about medals...I simply was saying that there are better ways to "judge" a player then comments from anyone who leaves the sort of messages that Recluse once left here. (This was OOC of course) Vashmere 20:27, 22 November 2006 (CET)
- You wrote:
- Im sorry your not clever...as you say. Perhaps you should give people more credit? The way I see it is this...Ive been playing this game for about 5 months now, and I got a heap of medals for fun, roleplaying, and what-not.
- This reads as bragging. You are placing the "I got a heap of medals" in juxtaposition to my statement that I am not clever. I'm surprised you think that doesn't sound like bragging.
- Why did you assume the only part I got anything out of was Recluse's comments? By reading your comments, I began to think that you were not the insane person your character is. --Habap 23:18, 22 November 2006 (CET)
Just a little time saver. At least 99% of stuff in the wiki discussion and user talk pages, is OOC and you don't need to put it at the end of your messages.--Steve2609 22:08, 22 November 2006 (CET)
Heeeeey See, I guess that sounds like bragging to you, but to me it just sounds like an A**hole, and Ive admited to being one in real life. Sorry if thats a crime. Anyway, what I'm saying is, I don't think people should HAVE to use OOC, sto make one player "understand" whats going on. I'm just saying, for every OOC comment I have to make to make one player "understand" there is about 10 players who just "understand" without it. I say screw OOC...unless I see somone talking junk. Sorry If I'm a jerk, but eh, mama raised me one...ps, happy Thanksgiven. Love my user page! Vashmere 01:03, 23 November 2006 (CET)
- Actually, there are probably 10 players who simply ignore it, not understand. It's a shame that your mama raised you to not care how others feel. --Habap 15:22, 23 November 2006 (CET)
Hey, it's the player behind Beziel writing. Just wanted to poke in and say thanks for the memorial picture, I was actually quite oocly touched by it and really felt the need to let you know that I enjoyed it. Though my two remaining characters at the moment (Lemm and Vlad) probably wouldn't be inclined to Defayo's sort, I do hope that we end up playing together again some time! -Tim/Vlakider
Awww Shucks...blush. Well Dafayo was quite broken hearted to see you go. Patrons who die get a goodbye present, and frankly, Beziel was dafayo's first paying patron and also the guy who commision much of his further works in Eston. Dafayo dont forget who fed him. I hope it was worthy of the guy, I know dafayo will miss him and is sad he shall never share wine with him again in this life. But hey, if he went to hell, then there is still a chance the two might hang out again...lol. Be good my friend, thanks for the thanks. You rock as a player and I enjoyed all our interactions"
Back?
Nice drawings for the coins and such. I thought we'd lost you forever. Needless to say, The 10 Den got a little empty.... -- OOC Habap 22:04, 16 August 2007 (CEST)
Oh-yes, I am back for now...But really, I will never actually stop playing forever...I am a life-er here. The past 8 months was very...um...crazy....so I had to take some time off. But now I am back, and yes I will be doing the same silly-crap as always. As for The 10 Den, I had to stop playing Vi, due to lack of free time. I am only playing Vatt n Dafayo (my two boys I can never have the heart to erase), and I will return Vi to the world when I have more free time. Thanks for welcoming me back!!! Thats awesome. Vashmere 19:48, 17 August 2007 (CEST)
Where are you now? i discovered this unused drawing of yours... its awesome!
Intrested in drawing some more for battlemaster? we could serioulsy increase our roleplay atmosphere by integrating this kind of great art work. For example, my newspaper could use some sketches on for example the hilarious local news stuff. Your style fits perfect for some of the situations described, please feel free to read them.--Vlad 19:23, 23 September 2010 (CEST)
