Talk:Keepers of Lore/Regions

A slightly more complete region list, but still has some holes: Category:Dwilight Regions. --Indirik 12:47, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Is this an ideal way to do this?

While I applaud the creation of more RP and source material for Dwilight, I have to question the way it is being done. Is it really a good idea to build a completely separate list of regions and RP source material, isolated from the actual region pages? This information would get much more usage, and make a much bigger contribution to the game, if it were to be found on the true region page. Perhaps it could be placed on the region page under a separate heading, perhaps with a note pointing back to the Keepers of Lore. Then instead of building subpages here, you could just link to the standard region pages. A separate way of doing it would be to keep the information here, and then transclude it onto the official region page, like this: {{:Keepers of Lore/Regions/Askileon}}. Place that on the region page, and the entire contents of the named page would appear. This allows it to be in two places, but still be maintained by a single source. --Indirik 15:54, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

True. I was thinking of placing links from the region pages to the pages of the guild. Just never got around doing it. :) Inykane 02:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Well it was intended to be a separate storage of material, RP-ed as stored within its own libraries within each Guild House in-game. However, it is intended to be available to all, as a free resource, so perhaps the best way would be to link from the region pages to the guild, region material. Each Dwilight region page would just have the extra information added from the Guild House members as you say. I'm just don't want the guild contributions to be mixed up with the general region descriptions or made to be the same thing, as they are intended as entirely separate entities. The guild is looking to expand to every realm eventually, so that additional RP'ed content can be gathered from the entire continent, but it will take some time in-game, for characters to actually travel to guilds and join. Silverfire 02:59, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

That's a very good point, and I agree that you wouldn't want your guild contributions diluted or overlooked. Nothing wrong with getting credit for your work. Perhaps a "happy medium" could be to store the material here. Then transclude the information onto a region page using a template. (I used transclusion on the front page of the Dwilight Daily, so you can see it in action there.) You could have a short introductory note like: "From the archives of the Keepers of Lore:". You could set it off with a simple colored frame or shaded box. Make it simple so as to not overpower the page, but be significant enough that it's clear it's a separate item. That way the information is still here, controlled by and accredited to your guild, but more readily visible and available to the game at large. If this sounds like something that you would like to do, then I would be happy to help set it up. --Indirik 12:44, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Transclusion

Transcluding is what it's called when you include the entire contents of one page onto another. It's actually very easy to do. The syntax is almost the exact same as creating a link, except you use curly braces instead of square brackets, and you add a colon before the page name. Like this: {{:pagename}}. So, if you want to transclude the entire contents of the Askileon lore onto the page for Askileon, you would use this: {{:Keepers of Lore/Regions/Askileon}}. When someone goes to edit the actual Askileon page, the text of your page won't show up, only the code for the transclusion. If they want to edit the text, they need to come here to your page to do that. This will make the information available to wiki users in the expected location, but segregated and clearly owned/maintained by your organization. I think this will perfectly fit how you envision your guild and its information being used and maintained.

I have gone ahead and edited Askileon to show how this is done. You should be able to copy/paste this code wherever you want. It would be possible to make a template to make the whole thing a lot easier. Then you don't have all that messy code on the page that someone could easily mess up.

Once thing to remember is that the entire contents of the page is transcluded. You can't pick just one section. That's why I have removed the link to the region of Askileon from your Askileon stories page. It would look funny to have a link to Askileon on the actual Askileon page.

Let me know if any of this needs more explanation. --Indirik 17:08, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Looks good to me. :) I wonder, however, how it will look in the long run when several stories will be gathered for each region. --Inykane 03:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

You'll get longer and longer boxes. :) You can format your pages in a different way, too. For example, you could format each story on the KoL pages in a separate box with it's own title. Then transclude it all verbatim onto the official region page. That will keep each story as a separate item, not all smashed into a single box. I'm sure there are other ways you could do it, too. --Indirik 12:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the transclusion does not work too well in region pages. I'll be switching it back to a simple link to the guild. --Inykane 19:03, 24 July 2009 (UTC)