Dwilight University/History/Chronology Terminology Question
|
This discussion is over some of the words used in the Chronology of the Aquilegion Civil War, by Dean Bowie Ironsides.
| Letter from Branthorpe Silverbear | |
| Message sent to Everyone in the Dwilight University | |
| Dwilight University,
"* 2010-05-11 Theocrats - Pasha persecutes Bowie out of realm with zealot Astromancers." One man's Zeolot is another man's just crusader. May be a more passive term would be:- "* 2010-05-11 Theocrats - Pasha forces Bowie out of realm with the aid of the Astromancers." | |
| Branthorpe Silverbear (Student) | |
| Request from Sejieda Vita | |
| Message sent to Full Members of the Dwilight University | |
| Again, I would stress that discussion remain within the student body (full members, not everyone). And I agree with Student Branthorpe. If the essay is to be written as impartial then impartial language should be used. If its openly written as one's perspective, then that should be stated for the record and the original language left. | |
| Sejieda Vita (Dean of Military Studies) | |
| Letter from Rohk Darksun | |
| Message sent to Full Members of the Dwilight University | |
| I find the definition of a zealot fitting in this use, it is not a derogatory term.
zealot - a. One who is zealous, especially excessively so. b. A fanatically committed person. Unless, of course, we are bringing into question the commitment of the members of the Church. I applaud Dean Bowie for his ability to be objective in what is a very complicated and personal situation. Regards, | |
| Rohk Darksun (Student) | |
| Letter from Branthorpe Silverbear | |
| Message sent to Full Members of the Dwilight University | |
| Duke of Nifelhold,
Please re-examine the suggested changes. There were two suggestions changes as the word "Zealot" was linked with "persecutes". Hence I believe it could have been read to "bringing into question the commitment of the members of the Church." Quod Erat Demonstrandum, | |
| Branthorpe Silverbear (Student) | |
| Letter from Rohk Darksun | |
| Message sent to Full Members of the Dwilight University | |
| Duke of Mimer,
I fail to see how the original text offends and why the tone should be changed. Usurper Bowie was run out of the realm because he was not of the faith. It is quite clear that this is the reason and is a matter of fact. The act of discriminating against a man based on his faith (or lack there of) is persecution. Those who conducted the persecution were highly committed members of the Church of Sanguis Astroism. Committed to restoring the Theocracy. Both of these words, "persecutes" and "zealot", seem to fit the context. The rephrasing of the entry would introduce ambiguity into Brother Pasha's actions. Was he acting at his own behest or was he acting on behalf of the "Astromancers"? I think that the original text would provide the right level of detail that includes Brother Pasha as a committed member of the Church working to restore the Theocracy. These records will be kept for a long time and as such should properly reflect the context of the actions. Regards, | |
| Rohk Darksun (Student) | |
| Letter from Bowie Ironsides | |
| Message sent to Full Members of the Dwilight University | |
| Academics,
First, for clarification I have updated the chronology with a list of belligerents as suggested. Also I have added the alternative chronology provided by Student Pasha. Second, regarding the terminology, zealot is the proper word for faithful who take up arms in such a way that occurred. That is what a zealot does, and those who followed Priest Pasha were zealots. As for the term persecute, it is the most detailed word I could use as my estate was burned, my property was robbed and I was driven out from the realm. These actions done because I was not a member of their religion. That is persecution. We did the same thing to the Old Bat Katayanna and I used the same word in the Aquilegion history book. I quote: "Lady Katayanna was driven out of the realm by the High Inquisitor as an unbeliever causing a persecution to take place at her estate in Flow." That word was chosen then as well because her estate was burned and she was robbed and then the mob drove her out of the realm. In another word, we persecuted her. There really is no other word to use except one that will soften the event. I am sorry if it sounds scary or partisan, but that is the language and it is unintended. | |
| Bowie Ironsides (Dean of History) | |
| Letter from Jar Weaver | |
| Message sent to Full Members of the Dwilight University | |
| I personally do not believe Zealot should be the appropriate word. Fanatic perhaps. | |
| Jar Weaver (Dean of Arts) | |
| Letter from Bowie Ironsides | |
| Message sent to Full Members of the Dwilight University | |
| I find fanatic more inappropriate than zealot. How should this be resolved? Leave it to the discretion of the author, or through vote, or some other means? | |
| Bowie Ironsides (Dean of History) | |
| Letter from Anabellium West | |
| Message sent to Full Members of the Dwilight University | |
| A compromise?
Dean Bowie's wording should be kept as it is valuable as the feelings of one who had experienced part of the rebellion first hand, and from a rare position. A third party could, however, go through the submitted essay and perhaps, choose more neutral and objective wordings for certain parts of the essay and keep that as the official record of the event? Or perhaps a variation of that? | |
| Anabellium West (Student) | |
| Letter from Bowie Ironsides | |
| Message sent to Full Members of the Dwilight University | |
| That is not a bad idea Student Anabellium. I could write the document I was planning on creating, and a separate, diluted, one for the realm history book.
This way for those who just want the gist of the situation you'd look in the realm history for an objective neutral account, but for more details and for the nitty gritty of what we went through you could look in the larger version. Alright, I shall continue as I planned and also summarize the event plainly. | |
| Bowie Ironsides (Dean of History) | |
| Request from Sejieda Vita | |
| Message sent to Full Members of the Dwilight University | |
| I do believe one's writings should be their own wording, but I believe its in the rights of the student body to convince authors of one wording or another. | |
| Sejieda Vita (Dean of Military Studies) | |
| Letter from Bowie Ironsides | |
| Message sent to Full Members of the Dwilight University | |
| Here is the source material:
Participated in a battle (4 days, 3 hours ago) Your aide comes to you with an urgent message: the priest Pasha Blatkovetchkin has whipped up a mob of followers of Sanguis Astroism into a frenzy and is about to send them to attack Kratos Wolff's estate! You quickly mobilize your troops to go to Kratos Wolff's aid. When you get there, the mob is just arriving, and you are forced to fight the maddened peasants. Your troops fight valiantly, but the fanaticism of the peasants turns the tide quickly, and you are forced to retreat with heavy casualties. Lord driven out (4 days, 3 hours ago) The priest Pasha Blatkovetchkin, Ambassador of Aquilegia of Sanguis Astroism has whipped a mob of followers into a religious frenzy and driven Kratos Wolff, Lord Judge of Aquilegia, Duke of Flowrestown from the region of Flowrestown as an unbeliever, burning down his estate, destroying his possessions, and even killing some unfortunate servants who didn't get out of the way in time. Kratos Wolff is now an unaligned noble of Aquilegia. Flowrestown is now without a lord.
As you are relaxing, a messenger comes to you with dire news: your manor in Flowrestown has been stormed by a mob of fanatics of Sanguis Astroism, led by Pasha Blatkovetchkin, Ambassador of Aquilegia, and burned to the ground. Due to the valiant efforts of the other nobles in the area, your servants were able to save a few valuables, but most of it was utterly destroyed. Lord driven out (1 day, 15 hours ago) The priest Pasha Blatkovetchkin of Sanguis Astroism has whipped a mob of followers into a religious frenzy to drive Bowie Ironsides, Duke of Flowrestown from the region of Flowrestown as an unbeliever. A battle ensued, during which time Bowie Ironsides was able to recover some valuables, and for a time neither side could gain the upper hand. However, the fanaticism of the true believers prevailed, and he was driven out, his estate burned to the ground, and his servants scattered. Bowie Ironsides is now an unaligned noble of Aquilegia. Flowrestown is now without a lord. Interpreting these events, I maintain that those who followed Pasha were zealots, and the actions taking place was a persecution. We could find other words in the thesaurus, but it would just mean the same thing. | |
| Bowie Ironsides (Dean of History) | |
