Talk:Semantic Wiki

Redirects

How should we deal with them? I figure a realm should have a [[Government::Theocracy]] tag so that we can have a table, in the wiki, sort the realms by the government system, just like IG. However, "Theocracy" re-directs to "Government System", and as such the realm is listed as having "Government System" as "Government" instead of "Theocracy". How should we address this? -Chénier 03:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Switching it for a Type:String seems to have addressed the issue I saw. Seems fixed, for now. -Chénier 04:16, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Kudos

Once the battlemaster data can be extended to the wiki to remove manual inputs and have the wiki truly automaticly update itself, we'll be in a whole new, more user-friendly era of the game's wiki. The game could then compensate for the holes this will leave in the wiki's history files (okay, Bob is ruler now, but who was before him?), by having its own history logs which would also be a lot more accurate and reliable than manual inputs (if a page is only modified twice in three years, there is a good chance that there is a few judges and generals that have passed between both versions of the page). Anyways, I'm seeing great potential for this. First application I started is for realms, with functions for each council positions, number of nobles, of regions, the population, largest city, capital, state religion, and government type, though this could also be extended to include estimated food and gold production, as is available IG. Religions could also use their own system, as other cases could... We'll need a page like Meta:Style Guide so that we don't start seeing clone functions ("Island" and "Continent", for example). Anyways, this is quite an amazing step forward for the game's wiki, kudos for that. -Chénier 04:31, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

So far:

I'm not sure on which page you'll want this, and how you'll want it displayed... here's what we got so far, anyways.

• Property::Island - has type::string
• Property::Population - has type::Number
• Property:Ruler‎ - type::string
• Property:Modification - has type::string
• Property:State Religion‎ - has type::page
• Property:Realm Name‎ - has type::page
• Property:Largest City‎ - has type::page
• Property:Judge‎ - has type::string
• Property:Government - has type::string
• Property:General‎ - has type::string
• Property:Capital‎ - has type::page
• Property:Banker‎ - has type::string
• Property:Region Number‎ - has type::Number
• Property:Nobles‎ - has type::Number

-Chénier 04:54, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

A lot of these are good, some not. "Capital", for example does not denote a semantic relation. "capital of" does. Likewise, my first try "Island" sucks, "located on" is the semantic relation. "largest city" is an absolute no-go. That's exactly the kind of crap that we want to get rid of! We want "population", and then finding out the largest city is a simple query away. Besides, "largest city" of what? the realm? the island? the weather area? the player has ever seen?

All positions and other rapidly-changing data is a topic all for itself. It probably requires additional data such as dates (from when until when?).

AS I said, there's probably a little bit of discussion and refinement before we should start actually changing stuff.

--Tom 08:06, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I probably misunderstood the pages, I figured "capital of" only worked on the capital's page, and since we have that info on the realm's pages, and not on the region's page, it wouldn't apply. I did, though, learn all of this yesterday night, so maybe I didn't get it right? "located on" works great either way, though, but does "capital of" in this context? See: http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Germany and Inverse relationships. I see where you are going, though. -Chénier 16:00, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Infoboxes

We have a lot of templates for stuff like region or realm info. Unfortunately, there are several competing options, such as Template:Infobox Regions and Template:Infobox region.

To avoid confusion, I suggest we take one of them, a good, clean one (I'd go with Template:Infobox region from the above list) and modify it for semantics, then put it up and update all region pages. I can automatically create the template data from the database, that would make things a ton easier.

We should also have a good naming scheme. Something like the "Infobox" prefix, which appears to be widely popular. Someone with an idea for an equally catchy term?

Speaking from a slightly biased point of view, I'd dump all the separate templates and go with the RealmBox Project. I'm sure I could modify that one to include the necessary semantic stuff. Especially through the use of the composite templates. RealmBox can also be configured to be used for regional infoboxes and religion boxes, too, as shown in RealmBox Project/Customizing. Using RealmBox people can still have their realm's template look different, but be based on the same template.

I agree with Indirik. In fact, I was already working to get everyone to use Realm Box, but I didn't want to just trample through all their templates without asking about changing it so its been slow progress. --Vita Family 14:58, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Options for Region Info templates

(add those you found)

• Template:Infobox Regions
• Template:Infobox region
• Template:Region
• RealmBox Project - Can be easily configured for regions as shown here: RealmBox Project/Customizing

Options for Realm Info templates

(add those you found)

• RealmBox Project - Composite but customizable) realm templates can be seen here: RealmBox Project/Preconfigured Templates

Unintentional Changes Made?

Since the Semantic Wiki update it no longer appears possible to embed external images inside wiki pages. As a lot of realm pages and nearly all region pages only link their image files, it would be great if that could be fixed (Example 1, Example 2. I've also noticed that if you try to access someone's family page on the wiki via their user page, it now only brings you to the Wiki Main Page (though I suppose that has more to do with the recent code update) --Revan 16:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)