Talk:Itorunt Informer/Special Issue 3

Aurum, while I appreciate your plans for peace, perhaps you could wait and see some plans be enacted. I have my own plans that entail slightly more than just asking the other realms to give up their regions. --The1exile 29 April 2006 10:29 (CEST)

In the case of Avamar, there is no reason Perdan should give it's territiory to revive a failed realm. Perdan re-establishing Avamar in Aix duchy doesn't make any more sense than Itorunt giving up Xavax duchy or Sirion just giving back Avamar itself. Or they could just take the Kalmar Islands. - Thray Walsh

That is an interesting Idea. All nations enter into a Federation.

Now look at the bigger picture. What would others have to do before agreeing to Federate with each other? The list goes on and on if you start to think about it...so many realms have soveriegn interests...but in /my/ humble opinion, the best way to Peace and Prosperity, is for Perdan to give back lands taken to Ibladesh, for Ubent to call it quits as she stands and not lose/gain anything, for Oligarch to cease to exist for the sake of Fontan/Old Rancagua/ Sirion, for Caligus to cease to exist for the sake of LoF and Yssaria, and that is it.

The Island could be in complete harmony in one month's time if Peace and Prosperity is /truely/ what the majority of the peoples want...but why must there be death? Because it is a part of life. Do those two realms wish to "perish" for the sake of the Island? Probably not. Will Perdan surrender for the greater good? Who knows. Will the Peace last forever? Nothing Gold can Stay, as Mr. Frost puts it. --Primus Family

AKA Doc. --The1exile 30 April 2006 09:43 (CEST)

Anyway you want to look at it. What I say is true. Name a quicker resolution that makes sense, and can have a sense of true permanence, and I'll be the first to say "Incredible. It is true."

Brilliant, Doc, brilliant! The eradication of two sovereignties! Excellent roadmap to peace! I personal prefer the capitulation of Old Rancagua to reform Omsk, the neutrality of LoF functioning as a deterent continent-wide against any and all agressive actions, the return of Oligarchian lands(Poitiers, Ashforth, Oberndorf, Tabost, Greatbridge, Bruck, Morshes, Hagley, to name a few.), so that we may dwell in peace. Oh, dont forget the elimination of Ibladesh, assimilating Al Arab into Perdan, and Ibladesh city into Itorunt. Oh, dont forget the last bit: The execution of about...8 different world figures. Oh, dont worry Doc, they arent all in realms that are allied with you. Just most of them are. You, actually, get to be drowned in a bucket of dog urine, THEN beheaded. (OOC- If only Sirion had an active paper to wage war with!)Vellos 30 April 2006 20:40 (CEST)

Yes it IS Brilliant, isn't it? Your proposal, Vellos, is complicated...and pointless. MY proposal, on the other hand, is the fastest and most efficient route TO Peace and Prosperity. I ask anyone to come up with a better solution which offers PERMANANCE like mine, and I will be the first to applaud it. 3 Regions of Oligarch Fall. A handful of other regions in the South...that is it...in theory, my proposal is the best for the goal in mind. Find a better way that will work, and you will have my attention haha! -Doc

Yes, see, mine isnt the most EFFICIENT. I didnt say it was. I just said it was the BEST. Yours involves, well, things that are blatantly and entirely wrong and morally objectionable. Its like killing babies, its wrong. Of course, I doubt if elves object to killing babies, but thats besides the point, its still wrong. Its the same thing with destroying realms, dont do it. Of course, I suppose I cant convince you, you'll already destroyed any last vestige of morality and conscience you and/or the entire elven race ever had. -Hireshmont Vellos 1 May 2006 00:41 (CEST)

While I agree with your point, you might have used a better example. You are equating babies with your realm. - Aurum

Realms are Born, realms Die...not without reason. You see the Oligarchians have no real sense of honor, they are a realm that--and Lysander publicly said this, so don't call me the bad guy--that Oligarch did in fact make a handful of DIFFERENT agreements with Sirion at DIFFERENT points and times in History with ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION of keeping them. A realm that does that, has no honor. The worst was when he said Oligarch would help us do something, we move in, get wiped out because the vermin fail to show up, and they in turn, send their army straight through Tabost into Trinbar...yes, the Oligarchians sold their souls a long time ago, and their dead corpse is stinking up the Island. Dead things should be buried immediately, but Oligarch...they are dead...but refuse to act dead. They keep leeching on to other realms to survive, they are the most evolved form of parasites...but this time, their tricks and lies won't buy them anymore time. Their day was marked years ago by the gods, but absolute evil is difficult to vanquish, it is a stain that must be washed...and scrubbed...many, many times, before all signs and traces of it are truely gone. - Doc

OOC comments

omg.. there is a reason this game is called BATTLEMASTER instead of PEACEMASTER. War is what makes this game fun. Does a BM without war sound fun..? Eirik felde 30 April 2006 21:04 (CEST)

This is my character's viewpoint. I was challenged by rl friends to play a peacenik because they didn't think I could do it. I'm a very political person who supports war for protection of a nation so they didn't think I could pull it off. --Bishamon Family April 30, 2006 22:29 (CEST)

Yeah, war is fun. BM would be boring without it(actually, not really. Religion is changing that somewhat), but we're still gonna negotiate for peace. Someone else will start a war after the current one ends. Vellos 30 April 2006 23:09 (CEST)

I think what no-one plans for is when the HRA falls to the NA and SA. then they're all going to have to l;ive in peace... hopefully religion comes by then. --The1exile 30 April 2006 23:18 (CEST)

I'm probably going to retire Aurum when/if the war ends. Need to free up room for another without donating. If I had the money I would. --Bishamon Family April 30, 2006 23:22 (CEST)

BM was quite fun well before war was even introduced in the later version. Good roleplays, and many other features in addition to War found within the game...it just so happens, that war gets in the way of exploring them fully. As I mentioned, an era of peace would be nice, Tom would probably shake up the Island after a while, and battle would return, but for the meantime, the EI could be a place for people who IRL don't have that much time to play, but still wish to hang around. Don't forget that Peace doesn't last forever, someone always does something they shouldn't...it is the imperfect Human nature. -Doc

Something they shouldnt? Peace isnt necessarily right, nor war necessarily wrong, in my opinion. Shouldnt, in relation to keeping the peace, maybe. Shouldnt, in relation to general right and wrong, no. Anyways, times of pecae can be fun, especially if we got religion in EC. Vellos 1 May 2006 00:43 (CEST)

I agree. Most people don't advocate stupid war. There are plenty of examples for that though. It depends on circumstances. --Bishamon Family May 1, 2006 01:03 (CEST)

War can be right, and it can be wrong...always. For instance, if I choose to steal your wife, and you wage a war on my home, that is Just and Right--assuming you ask for her back first, and I say "Go to Hell." I can play victim all I want, but when push comes to shove, I am guilty as hell. Same for anything else. Everyone has their land, sometimes others want more than what the gods gave them....is it right? No. Now what if a realm is being harassed by a larger realm, smaller realm decides to close her borders...large realm invades...is that right? No. You can play victim on any side, but in reality, everything has an absolute right and wrong factor associated with it. Now there is always a way around war. Treaties, Land Swap Agreements, Etc. But it is hard for people to be DIPLOMATIC, why is that? Because sometimes the "easy way" is not only the most convenient, but the most assured. With Diplomacy, there is Peace and Order. Without Diplomacy, there is only Chaos and War. -Doc