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Most of this is copied off of the old help pages. Feel free to update and improve it. Tom expresses his contempt for cheaters far more eloquently than I ever could -- [[User:Nicholas|Nicholas]] July 20, 2005 00:43 (CEST)
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== Why is this here? ==
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== Experiment ==
  
This is mostly the FAQ, and it is most definitely ''not'' a "basic introduction". Seems you copied it to the wrong place... --[[User:Tom|Tom]] 20 July 2005 10:30 (CEST)
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OK, I realize it was a little forward to post such an important page without running it by everyone, but I really think you all will like it.
  
Seems we're not on the same page. I copied everything here because it is on, or is linked to from this page: http://battlemaster.org/overview-join.html -- [[User:Nicholas|Nicholas]] July 20, 2005 21:54 (CEST)
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The basic idea is that the [[BattleMaster Basics]] section of the manual should be almost entirely roleplayed. I went with Tom's earlier idea, and embellished a bit and tried to make sure it would apply to a variety of cases (it's even gender-neutral!).  The answers to the "questions" would also be roleplayed, which is why they're not links to the regular articles -- those links will be embedded in the answer pages, though.
  
:You could probably get rid of the privacy section, but I'd say that everything else there is  really required to play the game. -- [[User:Nicholas|Nicholas]] July 20, 2005 22:00 (CEST)
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So, what do you all think?
 
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--[[User:Dolohov|Dolohov]] 23 July 2005 06:50 (CEST)
::There's a lot more that we can get rid of, and besided that link is not really what I think a basic introduction should be like. The basic introduction should be closer to the tutorials... (hint, hint... :-) ) --[[User:Tom|Tom]] 20 July 2005 22:19 (CEST)
 
  
::: But my tutorial is already perfect, how does one improve on perfection? :-D I suppose I could just copy the first few pages from my tutorial and edit them to get a basics page. You can then edit that basics page to your heart's content (hint, hint :P) and suggest anything else it needs. (I'll go on a ruthless deleting spree then.) -- [[User:Nicholas|Nicholas]]
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:I like it. I say we make the wooden badger into a running joke. :-)-- [[User:Nicholas|Nicholas]] July 23, 2005 20:46 (CEST)
  
:::: Excellent idea. Yes, the one thing that could be better with the tutorials is having them integrated into the wiki... --[[User:Tom|Tom]] 21 July 2005 13:18 (CEST)
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::Yeah, I pretty much just wanted a manual page entitled "giant wooden badger". Besides, it never actually says anywhere in the game what exact type of siege engines these ''are''. --[[User:Dolohov|Dolohov]] 23 July 2005 21:26 (CEST)
  
::::: Does that mean transferring all the tutorial and converting it to wiki-format, or have the tutorial link to pages within the wiki and vice versa? [[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21 July 2005 13:37 (CEST)
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::: When you mentioned a giant wooden badger, I thought of something along the lines of the trojan horse. -- [[User:Nicholas|Nicholas]] July 25, 2005 02:47 (CEST)
  
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Also, I linked a few of the words in the article, (e.g. [[King]], [[Healer]], [[Keplerstan]], etc. ) I'm not sure if the basics page should have that many links though. It might be a little overwhelming. Please discuss. -- [[User:Nicholas|Nicholas]] July 23, 2005 20:46 (CEST)
  
I also think you are overusing the template concept. Most of this information will almost certainly never be included anywhere else, and it makes it very difficult to properly edit the stuff if it's distributed around so much.
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:I kept the number of links down on purpose for that reason.  I think the secondary pages should be thoroughly linked, with plenty of "See Also:" type references, but it might be better if this one were kept mostly free of links. --[[User:Dolohov|Dolohov]] 24 July 2005 17:03 (CEST)
  
My idea of an FAQ is much more concentrated. I'll set it up on the FAQ page.
 
--[[User:Tom|Tom]] 20 July 2005 10:32 (CEST)
 
  
My idea was to have a lot of this on both the FAQ and the basics page, b/c they belong on both, IMHO. -- [[User:Nicholas|Nicholas]] July 20, 2005 21:54 (CEST)
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I like this thing. It's a good introduction. Good work! --[[User:Tom|Tom]] 24 July 2005 22:17 (CEST)
  
See above - FAQ and introduction are different animals, and the one thing that sucks about templates is that they make editing so much more difficult. --[[User:Tom|Tom]] 20 July 2005 22:19 (CEST)
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==Should this be moved?==
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Tom brought up the point somewhere else that this is more of an introduction than the Basics page that someone would be looking for when clicking that link.  So, I copied the text and such over, and created these: [[Dolohov:BattleMaster Basics]] and [[Dolohov:Intro]].  Basically, I copied the non-roleplay text over the the Basics page, which I fleshed out with the bare essentials (messaging, travel, bulletins).  Then the Intro is all of the roleplay, but none of the non-RP content.  It'll need a bit more work to stand alone, but I think I know what ought to be done. --[[User:Dolohov|Dolohov]] 28 July 2005 22:35 (CEST)
  
:Not really ''that'' difficult. Click "edit this page", scroll down to the very bottom, and it lists all of the templates used on the page. I do agree that this wasn't probably the best page to use them on. Oh well, I learned how to use them quite well. -- [[User:Nicholas|Nicholas]] July 20, 2005 23:12 (CEST)
 
  
== Experiment ==
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==Deletion==
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Unless there are any objections, I intend to delete the current page (which would clear the history, and replace it with the one linked to from my user page.  The current page will become the new [[Introduction]] page.  --[[User:Dolohov|Dolohov]] 30 July 2005 01:29 (CEST)
  
OK, I realize it was a little forward to post such an important page without running it by everyone, but I really think you all will like it.
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== Someone Make Subpages, Please ==
  
The basic idea is that the [[Battlemaster Basics]] section of the manual should be almost entirely roleplayed. I went with Tom's earlier idea, and embellished a bit and tried to make sure it would apply to a variety of cases (it's even gender-neutral!).  The answers to the "questions" would also be roleplayed, which is why they're not links to the regular articles -- those links will be embedded in the answer pages, though.
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All the Basics_(something) pages should be moved to subpages, I think. I'll start, but someone else should complete the work.
 
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--[[User:Tom|Tom]] 1 August 2005 11:34 (CEST)
So, what do you all think?
 
--[[User:Dolohov|Dolohov]] 23 July 2005 06:50 (CEST)
 

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Experiment

OK, I realize it was a little forward to post such an important page without running it by everyone, but I really think you all will like it.

The basic idea is that the BattleMaster Basics section of the manual should be almost entirely roleplayed. I went with Tom's earlier idea, and embellished a bit and tried to make sure it would apply to a variety of cases (it's even gender-neutral!). The answers to the "questions" would also be roleplayed, which is why they're not links to the regular articles -- those links will be embedded in the answer pages, though.

So, what do you all think? --Dolohov 23 July 2005 06:50 (CEST)

I like it. I say we make the wooden badger into a running joke. :-)-- Nicholas July 23, 2005 20:46 (CEST)
Yeah, I pretty much just wanted a manual page entitled "giant wooden badger". Besides, it never actually says anywhere in the game what exact type of siege engines these are. --Dolohov 23 July 2005 21:26 (CEST)
When you mentioned a giant wooden badger, I thought of something along the lines of the trojan horse. -- Nicholas July 25, 2005 02:47 (CEST)

Also, I linked a few of the words in the article, (e.g. King, Healer, Keplerstan, etc. ) I'm not sure if the basics page should have that many links though. It might be a little overwhelming. Please discuss. -- Nicholas July 23, 2005 20:46 (CEST)

I kept the number of links down on purpose for that reason. I think the secondary pages should be thoroughly linked, with plenty of "See Also:" type references, but it might be better if this one were kept mostly free of links. --Dolohov 24 July 2005 17:03 (CEST)


I like this thing. It's a good introduction. Good work! --Tom 24 July 2005 22:17 (CEST)

Should this be moved?

Tom brought up the point somewhere else that this is more of an introduction than the Basics page that someone would be looking for when clicking that link. So, I copied the text and such over, and created these: Dolohov:BattleMaster Basics and Dolohov:Intro. Basically, I copied the non-roleplay text over the the Basics page, which I fleshed out with the bare essentials (messaging, travel, bulletins). Then the Intro is all of the roleplay, but none of the non-RP content. It'll need a bit more work to stand alone, but I think I know what ought to be done. --Dolohov 28 July 2005 22:35 (CEST)


Deletion

Unless there are any objections, I intend to delete the current page (which would clear the history, and replace it with the one linked to from my user page. The current page will become the new Introduction page. --Dolohov 30 July 2005 01:29 (CEST)

Someone Make Subpages, Please

All the Basics_(something) pages should be moved to subpages, I think. I'll start, but someone else should complete the work. --Tom 1 August 2005 11:34 (CEST)