Talk:Arcaea/Military Archives/The War of Sartania's Destruction

"Instantly a devastating success"? The first attack on Niel was a draw. --Roy 06:41, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

I could say this is what Caim remembers of the war... but I do know that I arrived a turn early and got slaughtered. The following battle saw this Arcaea/Military Archives/A Feast in Niel, which were the same circumstances as Topenah where the infantry managed to get onto the walls fast enough due to a large number of siege engines that the fortifications were not nearly as effective.--Aerywyn 06:50, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

I was the Duke of Niel at that time. I believe 3 battles have been fought, the first a draw and the second and third were a victory for Arcaea. We had lvl 5 walls, and I am sure the CS displayed in "A Feast in Niel" is not true, neither from Arcaea nor Sartania. However, I can not prove anything, as it are just memories, but I can say with 99% certainty that the first battle in Niel was a draw, and that the numbers of CS are false. That aside, I am not a Arcaean historian, and you may write whatever you want. If you wish to write to have tricked us with a Trojan Horse, be my guest. However, a little accuracy probably won't harm a good story. --Roy 15:54, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the CS numbers are true. I remember, because I was writing a letter to demand the General to step down for attacking with such odds, and waited until turn so I could post the casualties we took in the failed assault...And couldn't believe my eyes when I saw we won. We ended up having something like 1 SE per 8 men or something like that, and the walls ended up providing almost no defense. I went and talked to Tim about it because I thought for sure it was a bug, but he checked the battle and the code and said it looked fine. I don't remember which attack that was, though. Shwartzring 23:34, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

It was the second attack. Like I said, the first attack involved my unit alone arriving early and getting slaughtered. That is the best of what I remember, whilst the second assault was a great cause for Arcaean pride because we managed to take the walls with an almost equal force to the defenders. Topenah and Niel are a testament to how walls don't matter if your enemy has the sense to have enough siege engines. It really is something that people should take on board more often. Anyway Roy, I do remember you being Duke of Niel since your General Nina in PoZ told me about that time that finishing off Sartania would be a nasty thing to do. As such I do have to take your word into account when casting my own thoughts, but unfortunately Matt here agrees with what I remember and no Sartania history of Niel's fall has yet been written by the Sartanians. --Aerywyn 04:52, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

You remember me being the Duke of Niel because Nina told you not to attack Niel? And which of your characters did Nina tell not to attack Niel? I don't know any more. But about the downfall of Niel, there is a little written on my family page.. "The ware raged on, and Arcachon decided to finish it. And as they could not defeat us by themselves, they called the aid of Arcaea. Niel was assaulted, and the Sartanians stood brave and honourably in its defence. And upon the next dawn, there was no victory for either side. But the Sartanian defence could no longer hold the walls in the battles to come. Niel fell, and with it Sartania" --Roy 12:59, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Arcachon attacked alone at least once (or with one or two Arcaeans in the area), but the first time Jenred gave the order for our forces to attack, the city fell. Shwartzring 21:01, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

I can't bring myself to change the history to include that when I already feel that the first opinion is the correct one. That aside I'm perfectly happy to have two different histories i.e. for the Sartanians and yours to include what they think happened. As for General Nina, she contacted Lord Protector Aerywyn on hearing that Arcaea planned to finish off Sartania. Aerywyn in turn found out that Nina and Roberd were from the same family, so was not surprised at the message. At the end of the day there were a few Arcaeans who wondered whether it was entirely just or worthwhile to finish off Sartania when they were performing so well against Arcachon, but Hyrus Kartark (I think he was the Pontifex at the time) had already insulted Arcaea too much for them to just back down. Jenred showed the messages to the realms council and later the whole realm. I'm saying this last part because I thought it would be interesting to know. At the end of the day the feeling was that Arcaean-Sartanian history has always been about trying to eliminate the other, even if Aerywyn toyed witht he idea of what it would have been like were matters different. --Aerywyn 07:13, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

It wasn't that he insulted Arcaea, it was when he stated that if/when he had the diplomatic clout to gather enough allies to attack us, he would. Jenred took that as a violation of the peace treaty and an indication that Sartania could not be trusted at our backs. Of course, no one believed that was the real reason since Jenred waited until it made sense militarily to order the attack, but that's what it was. Shwartzring 07:36, 17 September 2010 (UTC)