Talk:The Elven Tribune/Issue 16

OOC, you do realise that your "list" would have required, has he still been alive, the banishment of Itorunt's general? And the best swordman ever seen on the isle? Some people pride themselves on separating their chars. --The1exile 21:41, 12 January 2007 (CET)

I have found that when people say "they are the source of all evil" what they really mean is "I'm afriad and want to blame those weaker and different". --Dalakar 21:02, 13 January 2007 (CET)

Yes, because the Avamarians are known for their peaceful ways... their reputation has spread to Atamara, and I doubt that many people here would welcome their kind, especially after One Rogala's fit of madness in Tarasac. Stealing lands through bribery, a true mark of nobility. May Avamar be wiped from the planet for good... -Pizarro

Learn to seperate IC and OOC. --Bannable 23:47, 13 January 2007 (CET)

OOC: I know how, thank you. Francisco and Hernando have been confronted with the ways of Avamar through One's actions in Tarasac, and Gonzalo has been confronted with Avamars ways through Distorteds actions in Eno. As far as the Pizarros are concerned, Avamar stands for corruption, trickery and deceit. -Pizarro

OOC: Wth? Distored is not (and AFAIK has never been) an Avamarian. Should you say that anyopne who secedes is using "Avamarian tactics" then (just a list off the top of my head) Annwn, Marc, Lycastus, Menelmereth, Doyle, Zhao and so on are all guilty of using "the ways of Avamar" (because they're also secessionists). As for peace, it was offered. Repeatedly.

Also, just as a side note, the many of the Avamarian players are actually nice people. --The1exile 00:20, 14 January 2007 (CET)

OOC: Distorted and One (and any other using the "Avamarian tactic" for that matter) did a little more than just secede a city. Both One and Distorted stole their titles from their rightful owners. And if Perdan is going to war against their former proteges, that is usually a sign that the Avamarians pushed the wrong buttons. They pretty much hijacked a realm that was supposed to be a show of peace between Perdan and Old Rancagua, not what I consider pacifism. As for the players behind the Avamarians, as long as they don't abuse the game mechanics, they can do whatever they want. Whatever livens up the game is okay with me.-Pizarro

You seem to be missing something important here. First off, how are you defining "rightful owners"? They found "ancient and irrefutable documents" that proved the city belonged to them, so they were the rightful owners. The problem is that the list is inhibiting the fun of the players. A restriction on a family is a restriction on a player, which is why banning merely because of family relation is not allowed. See http://news.battlemaster.org/archives/discuss-moderated/2007-January/008447.html --Bannable 01:53, 14 January 2007 (CET)

Pizarro's comment was an OOC comment, not an IC one. In an OOC sense, they did steal the titles, and we as players know they bought the region title. Even in an IC sense, the game provides a healthy dose of suspicion that the titles were bought and forged. Just look at the message it provides when the event announcement is made. And how do you go about mixing up Distorted with the Avamarians? Nate Shupe hasn't had a character on EC in nearly 2.5 years, and never had one in Avamar. --Indirik 05:05, 14 January 2007 (CET)

The point is that such a list, for the explicit purpose of preventing a player from creating a character on an island, is not allowed. Whoever came up with this is clearly violating the social contract (inhibiting the fun of other players, people do know how to seperate their characters, whether you think so or not). I'm not arguing about the so called "Avamarian tactics" (bullcrap in the first place, but thats another subjec t), but about the list. I'm trying to point out that such a list will lead to only one thing - lightning. --Bannable 14:34, 19 January 2007 (CET)

Actually Avamarians are known for being peaceful, the Servants are a different story and are often confused since they'd infiltrated Avamar. By example One is a known member of the Servants and for his crimes against humanity he is quite hated by the Avamarians. I'm afraid you're blaming the wrong group here.... which is probably just what they want.--Dalakar 20:42, 14 January 2007 (CET)