Talk:Minas Ithil Messenger/July 06

The violation of the treaty was the end of war treaty (surrender) that ASI signed with Abington. Primarily written by Abington, and equally violated too in the months thereafter. ASI finally reached a boiling point a few months ago when their bankers stated to "Openly steal from ASI so Abington can be fed. Abington must eat, no matter the cost." Then there were murmors that Abington could get away with any other violations because "ASI couldn't do anything about it." ASI decided it was enough...presented her evidence to the EA, and was accepted as a clear violation of the agreement. ASI is no longer bound by that sham of diplomacy, and now sets out to execute Justice. We are grateful that MI has entered this war, and hope she does well down in the South again. DRP Primus Family

ASI violated the treaty as well. Do not play the innocent victim card, Doc. It doesn't work when you're trying to justify a war of aggression to fulfil your endless greed. I doubt you can even produce the text of that treaty or cite which clauses were violated! Olik 20:51, 19 July 2006 (CEST)

Exactly.. ASI is NOT the victim here, by any means whatsoever. ASI infiltrators have been doing deeds and spying and whatnot in Abington lands, as well as I'm sure mini raids of blackmarketeering in the north of the Islands hoping we wouldn't notice. Also, if you're saying that Abington attacked ASI many times during the Treaty then you are insane. Abington tends to get the most new nobles and not all of them are responsible or attentive people. They are new nobles who don't know what the map looks like, much less where to FIND said map, so they know where not to go (or to have knowledge there even ARE restricted areas (other kingdoms) they aren't supposed to go). Accusing Abington for those new nobles going off into ASI lands when they shouldn't, especially when we punish them for doing so, is like accusing the rain for getting you wet... it just happens, so get off your high horse about the matter and stop making this an "ASI is innocent, Abington is guilty", because the only thing Abington is truly guilty of is not souring the minds of other kingdoms against ASI and manipulating good people into evil decisions, just because it benefits ASI or the Primus Family Ego that they pulled it off. Callisto Maximoff Family

Funny..with your "logics" you have just insulted more than half of the Island's Rulers and respective Peoples. No wonder Abington has so many friends...ASI gathered evidence for only TWO months, and it was enough. Imagine if we had kept track from the VERY inception of the treaty? Now ponder this. We only CAUGHT Abbies doing shady things SIX times in regards to our food (Whent he war ended EVERY single ASI region had a 3 month supply, that supply dissapeared, and my capital even starved TWICE because of your thieves)...now you say that WE were stealing YOUR food? That is hog-wash...and to further prove it, how is it that we were "stealing so many times" but never got caught? As for infiltrators, yes, we have had them keeping tabs on your troop movements...but not killing militia--like yours--assaulting troop leaders--like yours, hell, even I got assaulted twice!--or anything else that hurts production/food/etc. I think only ONCE one of my Infiltrators did something in Abington (stole tax gold or something), and I told him to stop...Once...I apologized to Abington and that was that. Now for the many times Abby infiltratators got caught, identified or captured...Abington didn't send a SINGLE letter of satisfaction...ONE got banned for supposedly working for the Black Mamba...what of the other 2 fellas? Armitage tried to lump em together and say they too acted as Black Mambas...but at the time you had 3-4 active infiltrators...they were ALL working for the Black Mambas?? What a pathetic Joke...and for the record, ASI WAS THE VICTIM, but NOT ANYMORE. ASI will die on her feet if need be, we will never sign a surrender, just to have it broken in our faces and have Public officials in Abington gloat "What can ASI do about it, anyway?" DRP Primus Family

I see you are using your tactic of spewing as many words as possible, in the hopes that no one will bother to read and assume you've just made a rational argument! I will be more generous to anyone who happens to read our discussion by being clear as well as rational.

In order - it is you who insults other realms by treating them like vassals or henchmen, lying to them and mocking other rulers even while you pretend to treat them as equals. Shall I post your mocking letters, full of insults, full of gloating over dead Abingtonites whom you had killed?

As for food - well, you stole gold, our traders 'stole' (purchased from individuals not working for your government) food. Let's see, what did your gold go to? Ah yes - building up your army, which is even now making its grand offensives to steal lands. How noble. And what did the food go to? Feeding the people you EVEN NOW whine were mistreated by Abington earlier! How EVIL! Feeding, instead of robbing! But even if you cannot accept that it more honourable to steal to feed the common people, than to satisfy your greed for gold, you must surely see that both realms violated that treaty. BOTH. Yours as well, O Snake of the Isles.

Regarding the Black Mambas and how you can't IMAGINE that more than one infiltrator MIGHT be working for them - well, you seem to be either totally ignorant as to their size and spread, or are as involved with them as your Traitorous, Murderous, Lying Bitch of a mother was. (I suppose that last would be considered a joke, or insult - except for the minor fact that it is completely true.)

Finally, as for ASI dying on her feet - well, by whoring yourself out to every realm on Atamara you have made it clear you will rely on the strength of other realms to survive. You won't die on your feet, Doc. You'll die with your legs spread-eagle, just as you lived. Olik

Hoooo common, this is only a game calm down. I'm actelly suprise trader action managed to start a war. *Evil grin* I would like to point out this is an OOC section, soo calm yourlsef? Eric Pigeon

I know it's a game. DRP responded in-character, I'm just following that initiative and doing the same.

Rational you say? Retarded I say...only similariy between you and Rationality, is the R. ASI made an agreement that the EA are guardians of. So where is the whoring? ASI asked ANY realms that have been wronged by Abington to come and PUNISH Abington...if more come...they come not for ASI, but for themselves and their own personal reasons.

You really think I "turned" the Island against Abington by being a whore lol? That is pathetic, and if true, you will be defeated by nothing more than a "whore." You call my mother a terrible thing, but mind your tongue, she killed Abington's greatest and most skilled Hero: Drago. So be more respectful to HIS memory...wait a minute, Respect doesn't exist in Abby culture anymore. It was lost with Drago, back when he stepped down. Too bad...ASI's 3 month food supplies are gone, and we have "gold" to show for them...great...you forget that we don't catch EVERY transaction, you fool. We only caught SIX of your traders red-handed, and got THEIR gold...but the other 50 instances? That's right...with minds as "Great" as yours, retaking our stolen lands should be a cake-walk.

Last poine I must drive home. We are not "Gleefully" killing Abbies. As a matter of fact, speak to Nemisis...speak to Dragor...we asked them ALL to leave peacefully, and told them we did not wish to fight Abbies for the mistakes of HER tyrannical, authoritarian-like Monarchs and "Royal Councils." By the way...those same "royalists" are starving the entire Island, you didn't even TRY to address that, how could you? It only shows who is truely greedy...and evil. DRP Primus Family

ASI is doing nothing more than whoring herself out to realms - such as Tyrannical Tara, Imperial Cagilan or Mercenary Darka - to do what you cannot alone - muscle and bully another realm. The fact that Abington has many enemies, and you can find many opportunists doesn't change this basic fact. You have made of your realm a whore, Doc, and of tyrannies and injustice you are perfectly content to sleep with...

And you show your utter lack of honour by claiming that by insulting your mother, I am insulting Drago. That is nothing more than attempting to usurp the honour of Drago to the one who slew him. Yes, he was defeated by your whorish mother - so what? Ah yes - might makes right, is that it? A policy you now embrace even while you've claimed in the past to abhor it! Being skilled in swordfighting doesn't erase her treasonable cowardice. I see by your foreign policy that the apple doesn't fall very far from the tree.

And I think I would know where our traders go more than you do. If you claim 50 instances of black market trading, I posit that just perhaps, there are other realms with traders who care little for your whinings. Or is that too much of a stretch for your "Abington Is The Source Of All Evil" propaganda?

Only in your ability to completely ignore logic can you claim that "Abington is truely greedy," even while now you make WAR for the purpose of ACQUIRING TERRITORY and POWER. The facts show themselves for what they are, Doc. Your realm is an aggressive, warmongering slut! And if other realms see opportunity in this - in you manipulating them, and them manipulating you? So what? That doesn't prove anything about Abington.

I could sit here and destroy your arguments for hours, Doc. But of course, you carry the ultimate threat of power, war, bloodshed, conquest. "Might makes right," you say while you laugh and mock the dead. So bring your armies, Doc. Show us your true self. Don't bother with making rational arguments - bring war and mockery. Perhaps you'll force a victory, perhaps not - but you'll always be in the wrong. Olik

Yeah I have been discussing this as DRP, not as myself...it is a place for OOC/IC discussion is it not =) Stuart Primus Family

You poor...poor...disillusioned fool. Might makes right was precisely the Foriegn Policy that put ASI and Abington at odds. Abington pulled a "pre-emptive" Strike out of her ass--ASI didn't even do that, we gave Abington a FULL WEEK'S NOTICE to work this out diplomatically--or not. If ASI was a whore, then Abington was her pimp...and it is about time we won back our freedom. We been slapped one too many times without reason...and ASI didn't trade in "Master Abington" for "Pimp Abington." The whoring, abusing, and Abby shennanigins...end right here: right now. DRP Primus Family

You are the fool here, Doc, and there aren't enough armies in the world to hide your foolish injustices. It is you who is now exhibiting - proudly, I see - a "might makes right" policy, making you a hypocrite for accusing anyone else of doing so. Do you understand that much at least, Doc? I hate to treat you like an idiot, but it seems you only understand spreading your legs for opportunistic, stronger allies and the ability to euphemize "demand for territory" as "diplomatic solutions." Your every act and word proves me right and shows your cowardly realm for what it always was: a bunch of blubbering snakes. This fight isn't over, and it will never be as long as there are those who will stand up to your lies. Olik