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| − | [[Irombrozia]]. Scroll down. We have a Bill of Rights. :D Written by yours truly, Grand Justiciar of Irombrozia. [[User:Vellos|Vellos]] 02:19, 5 September 2006 (CEST)
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| − | Okay, not saying I created the *only* one, but that few have them. --[[User:Jupo|jupo]] 02:58, 5 September 2006 (CEST)
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| − | You said you were, "unique". ;) That implies only, I believe. [[User:Vellos|Vellos]] 04:05, 6 September 2006 (CEST)
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| − | Is it known Retravic will set up a monarchy? [[User:Vellos|Vellos]] 22:57, 26 March 2007 (CEST)
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| − | Yes. And if it's not 100% concrete, then she can change it if she wins. It's definitely known that her aim, or at least that of the rebels in general, is a constitutional monarchy. --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 17:20, 28 March 2007 (CEST)
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| − | I like the “people’s republic” idea, the old declarations and codes remain but we are now a monarchy. Perhaps we can expand on this and keep the House of ministers as well. It could lead to some interesting in realm politics.-- TedBauer 12:09 10th of July 2007
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| − | people's republic - Like the People's Republic of China? <!-- me, bitter? no... ;-) --> --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 16:30, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
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| − | :Yes, actually. --[[User:Bannable|Bannable]] 19:04, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
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| − | In Essence retravic is Emperor, she is the de facto ruler of a republic -- TedBauer 17:07 10th of July 2007
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| − | :Don't be silly people! This is the People's Democratic Republican Queendom of Fwuvoghor. Still haven't figured out where to put "Constitutionnal"... -[[User:Chénier|Chénier]] 17:53, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
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| − | ::Please stop.--[[User:Bannable|Bannable]] 19:04, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
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| − | when Retravic came to the throne she was doing it to save the republic (from the in realm fighting ;) ). In her manifesto she promised to return Fwuvoghor to a republic after either her death or the end of the war. Really the republic has a Temporary Dictator or Lord Protector. TedBauer 18:50 10th of July 2007
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| − | :I don't recall ever saying that, do you have a copy of that? --[[User:Bannable|Bannable]] 19:04, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
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| − | No I don't but you called referendum which was voted on by the realm that is what i was refering to.---TedBauer 21:15 10th of July 2007
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| − | ''when Retravic came to the throne she was doing it to save the republic (from the in realm fighting ;) )''
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| − | D'you know, that could have been done so much easier if '''she''''d actually left instead of using the rebellion to install her preferred government system. And thousands of Fwuvoghorian citizens would still be alive if so. --[[Exiled Family/Widfara|Widfara, the last Prime Minister]].
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| − | :Why would the only remaining founding member of the realm leave? Its much easier to just exert that reputation.
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| − | :'''And thousands of Fwuvoghorian citizens would still be alive if so.'''
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| − | :Ah, yes, but they would be under Widfara's will, which was contrary to the established beliefs of the realm. --[[User:Bannable|Bannable]] 22:53, 10 July 2007 (CEST)
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| − | ::Where monarchy is not contrary to the republican beliefs of the realm... never mind that you consider the beliefs of the realm more important than Tor knows how many lives.... Face it Retravic this is a power trip for you and nothing more. I don't mind that you did it, merely that you try to pretend it was anything different. [[Exiled Family/Widfara|Widfara]]
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| − | :::Not at all, Widfara. There is no oppression. All who come as friends are welcome. All religions are accepted within our borders. The form in which the beliefs are enforced has changed, but that is it. The more stable monarchy was choosen so that those who know those beliefs best can serve the Republic for as long as possible, to ensure they are not forgotten. [[The Slayer Family/Retravic|Retravic]]
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| − | ::::So...you had to destroy Dirrik's ideals to save them? --[[User:Danaris|Anaris]] 15:01, 11 July 2007 (CEST)
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| − | :::::No such thing took place. [[The Slayer Family/Retravic|Retravic]]
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| − | :Gentlemen, please, can't you give my wife a break? She did as she thought best, she had the support of a substantial part of the realm, and there haven't been any rebellions or insurgencies since... I'm not even aware of any heated opposition going on in RoF... since it become a monarchy it has had more internal peace, harmony, unity, and brotherhood than ever before. A republic has the power to vote it'sown demise: and that voting can only be done on the battlefield. [[User:Vellos|Vellos]] 21:07, 11 July 2007 (CEST)
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| − | I agree Retravic had my support then and has had it ever since, I was thinking that now that we have put much of those problems behind us it is time to bring some of the old ways back into the peoples republic like bring back the House of Ministers for instance. – --[[User:TedBauer|TedBauer]] 21:49, 11 July 2007 (CEST)
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| − | Incase anyone was ignoring the obvious, The mayor thing retravic changed, was the destruction of RoF's wall, the annialation of its milita and the killing of over half the city's population. If Wildfara was allowed to stay as a ruler, the ECA wouldn't have attacked the city. And then you might have been able to fight of that Deamon army that sack your city recently. So while you might have a better internal regulation, in th end you got screwed when you let this rebbelion happen..--[[User:Pelgrims|Pelgrims]] 23:12, 11 July 2007 (CEST)
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| − | == Bull ==
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| − | Do we want this page without bias, because that's bull.
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| − | *''Influential'' to ''elected'': The election process was total crap, and there was little democractic about it. For one, Jean-Olivier was not elected. After one of his uprages, Felmoure misunderstood him and thought he wanted in on the House, to which he complied, though that was never JO's intention. The nobles who got there were indeed the influential nobles of the realm.
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| − | *''There was a lot of opposition to these aggressive moves, especially from the newly elected Arch-Priest, Mordred'': Mordred was the *only* opposition. Even Ben's, the most voiceful (though constructive) critic, everyone was sympathetic to the cause. Everyone but Mordred remembered the beatings back in the days. There were a few doubts at first, but they were among the lies of "will Rampaging trick us and abandon us after we declare?", and they died down pretty quickly. JO wasn't liked, but he also wasn't opposed, except by Mordred. Ben's critics were hardly opposition. -[[User:Chénier|Chénier]] 16:51, 20 January 2008 (CET)
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| − | *'' Jean-Olivier was not elected.'' So that proves he wasn't '''voted''' in.
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| − | Didn't see any announcement of any official name change... The official documents still say "Kingdom of Fwuvoghor". -[[User:Chénier|Chénier]] 03:37, 5 March 2008 (CET)
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| − | :: Face it ;) The Cheniers are behind on the times :P
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| − | ::: Face it, your reform failed. The new months' there, and you still aren't ruler, and we are still being greeted in the "Kingdom of Fwuvoghor". It's you who is behind on times, the realm hasn't had that as an official name since Widfara. -[[User:Chénier|Chénier]] 05:07, 5 March 2008 (CET)
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| − | ::::Face it Chenier... You r behind the times. I am vindicated. [[User:Ceorl|Ceorl]] 04:46, 9 March 2008 (CET)
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| − | :::::Face it, it only happened today, and not in February as you were claiming it would. -[[User:Chénier|Chénier]] 06:21, 9 March 2008 (CET)
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| − | ::::::Face it, NO U. Seriously, this is childish. Stop. --[[User:Bannable|Bannable]] 02:10, 10 March 2008 (CET)
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| − | ::::::: It is. People spreading incorrect or future info on the wiki irks me. IG or on IRC, sure, but everybody checks the wiki, it should be factual and neutral, unless it states it isn't. Infact, I only notice now it was four "face it"s in a row, which indeed makes it more lame than I originally thought . -[[User:Chénier|Chénier]] 05:38, 10 March 2008 (CET)
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| − | ::::::::If your character didn't know it, doesn't mean its not known to others way beforehand. It was 5 face its ;). [[User:Ceorl|Ceorl]] 12:46, 10 March 2008 (CET)
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| − | ::::::::: If my character didn't know it, and he was a member of the realm, that means the ruler hadn't adopted it yet. Why do you insist? It's a "republic" now. -[[User:Chénier|Chénier]] 13:03, 10 March 2008 (CET)
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| − | :::::::::: I insist because it was ratified, and Ben just wanted an extra month to rule :P. I am trying to spread facts [[User:Ceorl|Ceorl]] 13:26, 10 March 2008 (CET)
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| − | ::::::::::: Ratified, but not implemented. Hell, he could have said "yea, but I didn't approve this, so I'm not gonna apply this". You spread speculation. -[[User:Chénier|Chénier]] 13:39, 10 March 2008 (CET)
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| − | :::::::::::: Rebbelion, right away. [[User:Ceorl|Ceorl]] 13:41, 10 March 2008 (CET)
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| − | ::::::::::::: How many rebellions have you lead? I've been in 5, enough to say they hardly ever work as expected. -[[User:Chénier|Chénier]] 13:47, 10 March 2008 (CET)
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