Talk:Dwilight/The Far West/The Ancient History of the Echiur Dynasty/The Age of Dynastic Quarrels: Shifts and Changes in the Echiuraen Empire

Wow. I guess this could be... kinda accurate to the region... if it was written by a foreign scholar with a wild imagination... no offence intended by this, but the region seems to have been inhabited by the Zuma and other related tribes. Can I ask from what angle this history has been written? Colonist? Translation of local history? It could just be my personal bias, since I saw creating ancient rp kingdoms in the east was stretching things a bit especially since most of the locals were tribal people whilst it was the colonists who were a radically different people that were arriving in this strange new land. The fact that the western lands are very newly discovered and that the closest thing you could see as a duchy could be an ancient mezo-american city state is... some parts of it make sense, but the medieval imposition grinds against me a bit.

Too detailed to be a discovery of the past, so is it OOC knowledge we wouldn't know? As far as I see things, the map doesnt show the sophisticated ruins of the numerous kingdoms that suddenly disappeared, but rather the cities that could be once they get built up. Some places have ruins but not all are on a massive scale and all would simply be chosen since they are good sites for a city e.g. level plains, rivers, natural harbours, rich land, key strategic or commercial positions etc. Thats not what I have a discrepency with though, but rather the incredibly detailed and very western history on an area that is inhabited by tribes. Not looking at having this deleted, more why you chose to write it this way. --Aerywyn 10:43, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Delete is a very harsh word to use, but just making sure that I wasn't tending to sounding that way. --Aerywyn 10:54, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I have to admit that I only skimmed this stuff, but here are my thoughts:

• The stuff in this "Ancient History" cannot be considered OOC info, given it's prominent posting under the main Dwilight page. If it was intended to be posted as OOC info, it should have been posted as part of a player or family page, and prominently marked as OOC. There are multiple templates available for this purpose.
• It does not appear to favor any one family or character. i.e. The player of the Kepler family did not post that their great-great-great-grand-pappy once ruled the city, and they therefore have an irrefutable claim to the city. Posting that kind of thing on a family page is fine, but inappropriate on an "official" page such as this.
• So far as I can tell, the page does not claim a specific time-frame for the events. i.e. It does not say "Two hundred years ago" or "Twenty years ago". I think the last page specifically talks about them being invaded and overrun by the daimons, which could be assumed to be these "Zuma" people. You can assume whatever appropriate time-frame you think you need to account for the changes between what is stated here and what is actually in place now.
• Since there was no pre-written and approved backstory for Dwilight, one person's proposed history is as valid as any other's. If you disagree with this story, then start your own page, put up your own version or refutation of the info here, and link the two together.

--Indirik 14:48, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

"Lost" realms

Personally, I think associating oneself with a dwilight tribe and claiming to be a descendant of theirs should be the most demeaning and un-noble thing there is. Would you ever imagine Cortez claiming to really be a descendant of the aztec tribes? It's untinkable. This is a reference to Virovene. -Chénier 00:45, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm really not sure what any of that has to do with this page. I don't see anything on this page that could have anything to do with Virovene. --Indirik 03:11, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I think he's just talking about the link between history like this and then working it in game... I could very well see how this could have all happened, but it uses way too many medieval concepts for comfort. --Aerywyn 04:10, 5 March 2009 (UTC)