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"if you don't see shared scout reports of the neighbouring regions when you log in, scout and share the reports" One presume the exact wording on the standing order itself should be a bit more IC than that...--[[User:Fodder|Fodder]] 22:21, 5 February 2008 (CET)
 
"if you don't see shared scout reports of the neighbouring regions when you log in, scout and share the reports" One presume the exact wording on the standing order itself should be a bit more IC than that...--[[User:Fodder|Fodder]] 22:21, 5 February 2008 (CET)
  
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Second-in-command: (nobody) and this poor guy don't have place in the militar hierarchy? he can really help marshall... [[User:Vecchioratto|Vecchioratto]] 22:31, 5 February 2008 (CET)
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It should be, but there is a limit to the number of characters you can use in a standing order, so space is at a premium (especially if you put preferred unit settings in there also). I find myself trying to squeeze as much info as I can to direct my realms army. A typical Standing Order in my realm ends up looking something like:
  
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== Reliability ==
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"Please Scout regions X and Y. Group 1, attack region Z. Group 2, misdirect toward region W. Line Settings: Infantry: Front; Aggressive; Box. Archer/M.I.: Middle; Defensive; Line. Calvary: Rearguard; Aggressive; Wedge."
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I would gladly like to see any HISTORICAL SOURCE on which Tom supports his visions about command chain.  
 
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The fact is that the King could always override the orders of his dukes, and believe me, it was never in the form of request.
 
  
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Additional note, the General never send requests. He ORDERS. It´s not like "oh the general requested us to attack France, but we don´t fell like it since only our marshal can order us". No. The General does not have time to have knights thinking if they want to attack or not. The General orders. He can stay on the front lines, and issue orders to the army. His captains and Marshals would make sure the orders were followed, but he would never request things.
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Replace Group 1/2 and Region W/X/Y/Z with proper names and that's pretty much the limit one can fit into a standing order. I've come to use Standing Orders as sort of a concise version of the regular commands I've issued through the normal army channel during the turn (which might include specific orders for several task forces engaged in actions throughout the realm), so the other players don't have to go digging through lots of messages to find the one that tells them what I want from them. [[User:Vladamire|Vladamire]] 14:05, 6 February 2008 (CET)
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[[User:Anna|Anna]] 23:14, 5 February 2008 (CET)
 
  
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This Background Information page may be of some help [[Medieval_Warfare]], though it's a little rough and ready.
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:Tom will probably say... don't give line settings.. and probably will also say. use 2 or more armies if you split them like that--[[User:Fodder|Fodder]] 20:35, 6 February 2008 (CET)
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I am currently studying the medieval period at university, and, while it varied from army to army, things were never as organised as the modern, Clausewitzian army is. If the king was weak, he took orders from his generals, and if the general was weak, his knights might not bother to turn up.--[[User:Egregious|Egregious]] 23:49, 5 February 2008 (CET)
 
  
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:: Soo, we try to fit BM to english/friench version of feudal relations in Europe, huh? Actually, it is only one version of many existing that time in Europe, not very efficient one to be honest. BattleMaster in the recent form worked in the Central Europe feudality system: all knights called to war by the King and leaded by the King himself. Read about "Pospolite ruszenie" in Poland, just as an example (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pospolite_ruszenie). And when it was also the working REAL SYSTEM, then the argument "in_Middle_Ages_people_did_not_act_that_way" is NOT VALID anymore. [[User:Anna|Anna]] 00:18, 6 February 2008 (CET)
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Second-in-command: (nobody) and this poor guy don't have place in the militar hierarchy? he can really help marshall... [[User:Vecchioratto|Vecchioratto]] 22:31, 5 February 2008 (CET)
  
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== Reliability ==
  
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::You have made yourself a fabulous version of history. What you suggest is simply unthinkable... You speak as if the middle ages had generals with radios who would command people he didn't know who were weeks travel distance away and organise hundred of soldiers on a battlefield by himself, again, probably with walkie talkies, right? This isn't the bourgeois military, this is the nobility. It's the middle ages, where communication systems are primitive (you can't even talk with the soldier who is a few dozen meters away, even if you could hear him, much less at any distance away. You watched too many glorified movies, kings weren't that powerful anyways until much later on. And the general had all the time in the world to convince the knight, he certainly didn't walk around in jeeps. Crusades took extremely long ammounts of time, and basicly the logistics for any sort of organised campaign was hell. And as Tom said, powerful people don't need to order around, their requests are so powerful people feel obliged to follow them anyways. -[[User:Chénier|Chénier]]
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Discussion removed. This is a Wiki, not a forum. If you want to have a chat, use IRC or the discussion list. --[[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:25, 6 February 2008 (CET)

Latest revision as of 22:25, 6 February 2008

"if you don't see shared scout reports of the neighbouring regions when you log in, scout and share the reports" One presume the exact wording on the standing order itself should be a bit more IC than that...--Fodder 22:21, 5 February 2008 (CET)

It should be, but there is a limit to the number of characters you can use in a standing order, so space is at a premium (especially if you put preferred unit settings in there also). I find myself trying to squeeze as much info as I can to direct my realms army. A typical Standing Order in my realm ends up looking something like:

"Please Scout regions X and Y. Group 1, attack region Z. Group 2, misdirect toward region W. Line Settings: Infantry: Front; Aggressive; Box. Archer/M.I.: Middle; Defensive; Line. Calvary: Rearguard; Aggressive; Wedge."

Replace Group 1/2 and Region W/X/Y/Z with proper names and that's pretty much the limit one can fit into a standing order. I've come to use Standing Orders as sort of a concise version of the regular commands I've issued through the normal army channel during the turn (which might include specific orders for several task forces engaged in actions throughout the realm), so the other players don't have to go digging through lots of messages to find the one that tells them what I want from them. Vladamire 14:05, 6 February 2008 (CET)

Tom will probably say... don't give line settings.. and probably will also say. use 2 or more armies if you split them like that--Fodder 20:35, 6 February 2008 (CET)

Second-in-command: (nobody) and this poor guy don't have place in the militar hierarchy? he can really help marshall... Vecchioratto 22:31, 5 February 2008 (CET)

Reliability

Discussion removed. This is a Wiki, not a forum. If you want to have a chat, use IRC or the discussion list. --Tom 21:25, 6 February 2008 (CET)

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