Talk:Carelia Times/Issue 8

Smashing the Carelian propaganda widget

As usual, the Carelian propaganda machine is lacking in both reason and truth. I will personally address some of the more glaringly conceited fallacies.

If kronos is stupid as the authors suggest and kronos is masterfully handing Abington defeat after defeat what exactly does that make the ruler of Abington?

Simply put, intelligence and might are two separate things. And really, ascribing any defeats of Abington -- by four realms -- to the intelligence of Kronos is arrogant, and frankly insulting to those who are doing the bulk of his fighting (namely, Tara, CE and Talerium).

Some may argue that any successes had by Carelia is only due to its allies, you must still credit King Kronos with his masterful diplomatic skill. Knowing who your true allies are and enemies would be, is the mark of a great leader, not how big your stick is.

A traitor may well hand defeat after defeat to those whom he betrays. He may even escape without punishment. This changes nothing about his betrayals, and it doesn't justify dishonour.

Redspan invaded Carelia, after numerous pleas by our humble king, still the invaders attacked, first they kill our militia!

Carelia betrayed, and declared war on, Abington and Redspan both. Since Carelia is amongst the only ones doing "invading," it is nothing but a lie to even call the betrayed "the invaders."

Finally Kronos had to put his friendship with goat lovers in the past and kill the invaders!

Is this more time-travelling? Kronos betrayed that "friendship," then invaded! You are painting a picture of such absurd falsehoods that one wonders if anyone in Carelia is stupid enough to believe such tripe.

Moreover, this Whipe of the map opinion made by the Arch priest, who by the way was imedeatley placed in leadership was not some small comment, it was in a policy debate whether to invade Carelia now, or wait for a better time, let us not kid ourselves here.

No, it was not in a policy debate. Nor was it policy. Perhaps you should check your torture report, or simply get a better analysis of the facts.

As i am sure there are good people in both nations we are to defeat, contact Kronos when your nation no longer exist and you will find a most forgiving king, this by the way is his GREATEST fault he is much to forgiving for my tastes.

Ah, yes -- Abington and Redspan are the "invaders," but you are just now claiming our realms will "no longer exist." I guess you can't even keep your lies straight in the space of paragraphs, no wonder you contradict yourselves over the course of months!

In closing, many of you underestimate our great king because he is has not spoken the common tongue of the noble for so long, you see this as him being dumb, he uses that perception to beat your nations into a bloody pulp.

Kronos's main fault is not his stupidity, but his dishonour, his betrayals, and his inability to perceive or report reality as it is. Carelia, taking credit for their allies' victories? Carelia, claiming victimhood while they are the betrayers? Carelia, whining about a comment made by their Arch Priest, when their current policy is to annihilate not just one realm, but two?

Next time your dealing with him, "think intelligent thoughts, and he is much easier to understand" silly abby leader

There is nothing silly about the truth. Lie all you want; no right-thinking noble believes you, and those who support your "great king" do so only for their own gains in power, wealth and land. Brag all you want about "beating to a pulp" a small realm by four large ones; your minor and temporary victories will never, ever change the truth. Under Kronos, Carelia is a land of dishonour, betrayal and warmongering. House Olik 06:42, 3 August 2007 (CEST)

i will only adress a few issues, since i have not the time to spare at the moment, 1) the Title of the Article is called "In defense of the King" not "in praise of CE , Tallerium, and Tara" no need to tell me how well they are doing, since i have foughten along side many of these brave nobles, From the various lands. 2)it was Redspan who drew first blood, never , ever forget that. While you claim it as war Kronos declared, i call it, raising the alert of the men at arms when he left the federation of Abby and Redspan. He knew you would become hostile so war was declared, and he ended up right didnt he? hostile you both became.But Carelia did not draw first blood. Redspan however did. Zerric Zorrath

1) The title is irrelevant. In your article, you take credit ("kronos handing defeat after defeat" to Abington and Redspan") for what you only had a minor role in. Hubris at it's worst. 2) You can call Kronos's declaration of war whatever you want. You can call conquering foreign cities "liberation" all you want. You can even try to blame Redspan (why not!) for opening hostilities after you declared war. But the facts stand for themselves. Kronos did declare war, on his two closest allies. And now Kronos, by your own admission, wishes to eliminate both those realms from existence. There is simply no way to spin these facts. Under Kronos, Carelia is a betrayer, oath-breaker, back-stabber, dishonourable, and arrogant. Perhaps under another leader, these things can be replaced by more positive truths, but they can never be erased. House Olik 07:25, 3 August 2007 (CEST)