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== Introduction ==
 
== Introduction ==
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Five new attributes are currently being experimented with. They do not yet have any game effects.
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Four new attributes are currently being experimented with. They do not yet have any game effects.
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== Game Mechanics ==
 
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These attributes work differently than the old [[Prestige]] and [[Honour]] values. For one, they can have negative values. Everyone starts out with zero, and will then increase or decrease the value depending on his actions. As usual in BM, but even stronger than for the old attributes, it becomes more and more difficult to raise (or lower) these attributes the further away from zero you get.
 
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Modifications to these attributes are governed by [[Actions]]. The game keeps a record of your actions and evaluates them. This also means you can check just where your values come from. Look at the [[Actions]] page for more details on the effects of actions.
 
  
  
 
== The Attributes ==
 
== The Attributes ==
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The basic idea is that BM isn't a "max your attributes" game. So instead of attributes, why not abandon the concept entirely, and focus on experience directly?
  
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=== Proposal One ===
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We abstract a little and associate colours:
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This is the original proposal I had:
 
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;Achievements:This attribute measures success and victories. A character with a positive value is successful and has enjoyed more victories than defeats. Someone with a negative value is unsuccessful and has suffered more defeats than victories.
 
  
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;Repute:Measures how well and reliable the character supports his oaths, i.e. the region, duchy and realm he belongs to. High values show that the character actively supports his oaths, while a negative value indicates someone with questionable loyalty or reliability.
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;Red:The colour of blood. For experience in battle.
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;Gold:The colour of the crown, for experience at the court and in diplomatic and political dealings.
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;Green:The colour of the fields, for administrative and domestic activities.
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;Black:The colour of the shadows, for infiltration and anything that causes suffering and pain (looting, execution, torture, etc.)
  
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;Chivalry:This attribute stands for the knightly values in the image of the kind and merciful knight. A high value shows a true knight, while a negative value indicates a ruthless or uncaring one.
 
  
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;Notoriety:How well the character is known for brutality, ruthlessness and other attributes that keep the peasants in line. Since fear makes you known and lasts longer than being known for mercy, this is considered a positive attributes in many more martial or practical cultures. Contrary to the other attributes, there are very few ways to lower Notoriety.
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== Display ==
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Instead of showing values, the attributes are always displayed as relations. This is to counter the "max out some value" attitude that some players bring in from other games.
  
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So on the info/status page of a character, the relation between the attributes of that character are shown, i.e. how high each is compared to the others.
  
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There is also a comparison to other players, in a more/less way, i.e. you can see if someone else has "more Green" than you do or "less Green". This comparison between characters does use the absolute values, so you can be "more Black" than someone else, even if on your personal chart, "Black" is small and on his personal chart "Black" is huge.
  
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=== Proposal Two ===
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You may publicly display your attributes using [[Template:pie|this template]]. Simply insert <nowiki>{{pie|red|gold|green|black|title}}</nowiki> on any wiki page (preferably the corresponding character page), replacing the colors with their respective values and "title" with whatever you wish to name the link. (ie: <nowiki>{{pie|43|7|74|2|Attribute Example}}</nowiki>)
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A second idea, more clearly differentiated attributes:
 
  
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;Glory:This attribute measures visible success, victory and other achievements. "secret" achievements, i.e. stuff nobody else knows about, do not bring glory (and hidden defeats don't lower it). Glory is very personal - the leader of the cavalry charge that wrecked the enemy infantry lines can gain much glory, even if the battle is ultimately lost.
 
  
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;Nobility:Measures how well the character manages the myriad of minor things that are expected of a noble, and make him better than a commoner. Running a good estate, or commanding the region well raises Nobility, while things like not paying your men on time or not being there to defend it when your region gets attacked will reduce it.
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== Examples ==
  
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;Esteem:An attribute that indicates how well known or famous the character is. Anything that puts him into the public eye - won elections, looting, being banned or appointed marshal - will raise                          Esteem, while time reduces it (memories fade), to the point of making it negative if the character never does anything noteworthy.
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;Chivalry:The romantic/misguided image of the knight expects him to be selfless and helpful, and Chivalry measures this. Anything where the character gives of himself (money or time) and gains nothing will raise it, while anything done for profit will lower it.
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|+style="background:white; color:black"|'''''Attribute Examples'''''
  
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== Integrity (one more) ==
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Is a '''player-driven''' attribute. You can judge everyone else's integrity, and they can judge yours. Integrity means just that. Is someone true to his word and his comrades, his realm and his beliefs? Note that integrity isn't the same as obedience. Questioning the general's orders if they endanger the realm or go against your religion '''is''' integrity, blindly following everything isn't.
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|[[Image:attribimage4.png|border|500x130px|none]]
  
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Integrity is tied to judge and judged. If either leaves the game or island, the score goes with it. That means that your integrity score will naturally be fluctuating a little bit.
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If you think you have been judged unfairly by your peers, there is a simple solution: Move somewhere where your qualities are more welcome. Change your realm, or even the island. Switching islands will always reset your integrity to zero (for the moment).
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|width="100"|'''Red = 43<br>Gold = 7<br>Green = 74<br>Black = 2'''
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|width="100"|'''Red = 58<br>Gold = 2<br>Green = 2<br>Black = 10'''
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|width="100"|'''Red = 28<br>Gold = 38<br>Green = 10<br>Black = 4'''
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|width="100"|'''Red = 42<br>Gold = 2<br>Green = 2<br>Black = 16'''
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Latest revision as of 06:14, 24 December 2008

The contents on this page discuss a possible new feature. It may or may not be ever included in the game, and it may or may not be partially in testing somewhere (usually on the testing branch).
In short, consider this page is a sketchpad of sorts and don't rely too much on things written here until this notice disappears.
-- Tom

Introduction

Four new attributes are currently being experimented with. They do not yet have any game effects.


The Attributes

The basic idea is that BM isn't a "max your attributes" game. So instead of attributes, why not abandon the concept entirely, and focus on experience directly?

We abstract a little and associate colours:

Red
The colour of blood. For experience in battle.
Gold
The colour of the crown, for experience at the court and in diplomatic and political dealings.
Green
The colour of the fields, for administrative and domestic activities.
Black
The colour of the shadows, for infiltration and anything that causes suffering and pain (looting, execution, torture, etc.)


Display

Instead of showing values, the attributes are always displayed as relations. This is to counter the "max out some value" attitude that some players bring in from other games.

So on the info/status page of a character, the relation between the attributes of that character are shown, i.e. how high each is compared to the others.

There is also a comparison to other players, in a more/less way, i.e. you can see if someone else has "more Green" than you do or "less Green". This comparison between characters does use the absolute values, so you can be "more Black" than someone else, even if on your personal chart, "Black" is small and on his personal chart "Black" is huge.

You may publicly display your attributes using this template. Simply insert {{pie|red|gold|green|black|title}} on any wiki page (preferably the corresponding character page), replacing the colors with their respective values and "title" with whatever you wish to name the link. (ie: {{pie|43|7|74|2|Attribute Example}})


Examples

Attribute Examples
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Red = 43
Gold = 7
Green = 74
Black = 2 		Red = 58
Gold = 2
Green = 2
Black = 10 		Red = 28
Gold = 38
Green = 10
Black = 4 		Red = 42
Gold = 2
Green = 2
Black = 16
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