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* This Apology (or defense) is written to define exactly how the Church of Qyrvagg views the relationship between Church and State, and to explain exactly why the Nationalism Heresy is, in fact, heresy.
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* This Apology (or defense) is written to define exactly how the Church of Qyrvagg views the relationship between Church and State, and to explain exactly why the Nationalism Heresy is, in fact, heresy. It was written by Amekal, and the original copy is held in the Church vaults in Irombro.
  
::The Church of Qyrvagg views itself as transcending national boundaries and personal preference, to bring truth to all people.
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::<font size=1><b>1</b></font>The Church of Qyrvagg views itself as transcending national boundaries and personal preference, to bring truth to all people.
  
:There are four signifiers of a "state religion" or, more correctly labeled, a "state-controlled religion". The first signifier is priestly involvement, the second signifier is legal preference, the third signifier is financial aid, the fourth signifier is doctrinal control.
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:<font size=1><b>2</b></font>There are four signifiers of a "state religion" or, more correctly labeled, a "state-controlled religion". The first signifier is priestly involvement, the second signifier is legal preference, the third signifier is financial aid, the fourth signifier is doctrinal control.
  
:Firstly, we have priestly involvement. It is the unilateral policy of Qyrvaggian priests NOT to aid in ANY kind of offensive action. In other words; clerical authority will never be used to aid a takeoever of an enemy region, or damage region stats, or anything like that. But, Qyrvaggism does permit, nay, even encourage, our priests to defend their own realms. If a realm is friendly to us, we are friendly to it. Our priests are frequently seen helping their host-realm fend off TOs, or maintain region stats, or bring newly-conquered regions under control. But if a government utilizes the priests of a religion to further offensive military goals, or if priests are given orders by government authorities, then that is UNNACCEPTABLE INVOLVEMENT. When Priests are used offensively, they have overstepped their bounds. When government officials attempt to order priests around, said officials have overstepped their bounds. Priests get no taxes, and owe no loyalty, save to Qyrvagg. We have no leige-lord, no personal possessions, and no real political standing.
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:<font size=1><b>3</b></font>First, there is priestly involvement. It is the unilateral policy of Qyrvaggian priests NOT to aid in ANY kind of offensive action. <font size=1><b>4</b></font>In other words; clerical authority will never be used to aid a takeoever of an enemy region, or damage region stats, or anything of that nature. <font size=1><b>5</b></font>But, Qyrvaggism does permit, nay, even encourage, our priests to defend their own realms. If a realm is friendly to us, we are friendly to it. Our priests are frequently seen helping their host-realm fend off TOs, or maintain region stats, or bring newly-conquered regions under control. <font size=1><b>6</b></font>But if a government utilizes the priests of a religion to further offensive military goals, or if priests are given orders by government authorities, that is UNACCEPTABLE INVOLVEMENT. <font size=1><b>7</b></font>When Priests are used offensively, they have overstepped their bounds. When government officials attempt to order priests around, said officials have overstepped their bounds. Priests primarily owe their loyalty of Qyrvagg and the Church.
  
:Secondly, we have legal preference. If a religion is given different legal processes, immunities to laws, or if standard procedure is deviated in favor of a certain religion, that religion is a state-run religion. Qyrvaggism ABHORS this behavior, and believes that legal process should always be followed. If the legel process of a realm is to allow the ruler 100% authority in appointing lordships, then so be it. If the legal process of a realm is to not punish murderers, then so be it (though that law IS corrupt). Qyrvaggians should always abide by their nation's laws. Though, if a nation's laws give special preference to a religion, then that religion is a state-run religion, and ought to be abhorred.
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:<font size=1><b>7</b></font>Second, there is legal preference. If a religion is given different legal processes, immunities to laws, or if standard procedure is deviated in favor of a certain religion, that religion is a state-run religion. <font size=1><b>8</b></font>The Church ABHORS this behavior, and believes that the legal process should always be followed. <font size=1><b>9</b></font>If the legal process of a realm is to allow the ruler 100% authority in appointing lordships, then so be it. If the legal process of a realm is to not punish murderers, then so be it (though that law IS corrupt). Qyrvaggians should always abide by their nation's laws. <font size=1><b>10</b></font>Though, if a nation's laws give special preference to a religion, then that religion is a state-run religion, and ought to be abhorred.
  
:Thirdly, we have financial aid. No religion can survive without noble support; but that is different from government bankrolling. It is a hard line to draw, and hard to explain. Thus, it will be the topic of a later Apology.
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:<font size=1><b>11</b></font>Third, there is financial aid. No religion can survive without financial support from nobles; but that is different from government bankrolling. It is a hard line to draw, and hard to explain, but often easy to recognizing instinctually.
  
:Fourthly, we have doctrinal control. If a government attempts to dictate the doctrine of the religion, then either the government is tyrannical and oppressive, or the religion is state-run. Doctrine ought to be seperate, 100%, from politics.
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:<font size=1><b>12</b></font>Fourth, we have doctrinal control. If a government attempts to dictate the doctrine of the religion, then either the government is tyrannical and oppressive, or the religion is state-run. Doctrine ought to be entirely separate, from politics.
  
:Now then, why does this matter? Well, for example, Qyrvaggism will NEVER endorse a Qyrvaggian theocracy. Such a thing is entirely unnacceptable. Would we fight against it? No. Would we recognize it in any way? No. Would we encourage it? No. Would we give it's TLs any special preference they would not have held anyways? No. In fact, we would likely excommunicate the theocracy as a foreign religion (though not its TLs), and attempt to return money given to us by said theocracy.
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:<font size=1><b>13</b></font>Now then, you may ask, why does this matter? Well, for example, Qyrvaggism will NEVER endorse a Qyrvaggian theocracy. Such a thing is entirely unacceptable, and something of a contradiction in terms. <font size=1><b>14</b></font>Would we fight against it? No. Would we recognize it in any way? No. Would we encourage it? No. Would we give it's nobles any special preference they would not have held anyways? No. In fact, we would likely excommunicate the theocracy itself, institutionally, as a foreign religion (though not its nobles).
  
:BUT, it is not a wrongdoing for Qyrvaggism to support a realm, as we said before. There is a difference between a religion supporting a King's rule as a good and just and righteous ruler, and supporting a King because he bribes you. We will always do the first, we will never do the second. Those who act rightly ought to be encouraged, thos who do not act rightly ought to be discouraged from continuing their wrongdoing.
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:<font size=1><b>15</b></font>BUT, it is not a wrongdoing for Qyrvaggism to support a realm, as we said before. There is a difference between a religion supporting a King's rule as a good and just and righteous ruler, and supporting a King because he bribes you. We will always do the first, we will never do the second. <font size=1><b>16</b></font>Those who act rightly ought to be encouraged, thos who do not act rightly ought to be discouraged from continuing their wrongdoing.
  
:Essentially, Qyrvaggism will support a nation, but never become identified with that nation. A realm's wars are not our wars; and the internal politics of a nation are not our internal politics. We transcend national boundaries; at times our members will be on opposite sides of the battlefield.
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:<font size=1><b>17</b></font>Essentially, Qyrvaggism will support a nation, but never become identified with that nation.<font size=1><b>18</b></font> A realm's wars are not our wars; and the internal politics of a nation are not our internal politics. We transcend national boundaries; at times our members will be on opposite sides of the battlefield.
  
:For example, it would not be wrong for a Qyrvaggian priest, with the proper authority, to bestow the Church's blessings upon a Prime Minister, and support that Prime Minister and his rule. It WOULD be wrong for a Qyrvaggian priest to begin to declare a nation evil; because it attacked said Prime Minister's realm.
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:<font size=1><b>19</b></font>For example, it would not be wrong for a Qyrvaggian priest, with the proper authority, to bestow the Church's blessings upon a Prime Minister, and support that Prime Minister and his rule. It WOULD be wrong for a Qyrvaggian priest to begin to declare a nation evil simply because it attacked said Prime Minister's realm.
  
:The basic concept is this: we will NEVR unify Church and State. But, if the two are in allignment of belief and practice anyways, and there is no brach of moral code or legal practice, and the correct boundaries are observed, there is nothing wrong with supporting said state.
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:<font size=1><b>20</b></font>The basic concept is this: we will NEVER unify Church and State. But, if the two are in allignment of belief and practice anyways, and there is no breach of our moral code or legal practice, and the correct boundaries are observed, there is nothing wrong with supporting said state.

Revision as of 20:17, 27 August 2009

  • This Apology (or defense) is written to define exactly how the Church of Qyrvagg views the relationship between Church and State, and to explain exactly why the Nationalism Heresy is, in fact, heresy. It was written by Amekal, and the original copy is held in the Church vaults in Irombro.
1The Church of Qyrvagg views itself as transcending national boundaries and personal preference, to bring truth to all people.
2There are four signifiers of a "state religion" or, more correctly labeled, a "state-controlled religion". The first signifier is priestly involvement, the second signifier is legal preference, the third signifier is financial aid, the fourth signifier is doctrinal control.
3First, there is priestly involvement. It is the unilateral policy of Qyrvaggian priests NOT to aid in ANY kind of offensive action. 4In other words; clerical authority will never be used to aid a takeoever of an enemy region, or damage region stats, or anything of that nature. 5But, Qyrvaggism does permit, nay, even encourage, our priests to defend their own realms. If a realm is friendly to us, we are friendly to it. Our priests are frequently seen helping their host-realm fend off TOs, or maintain region stats, or bring newly-conquered regions under control. 6But if a government utilizes the priests of a religion to further offensive military goals, or if priests are given orders by government authorities, that is UNACCEPTABLE INVOLVEMENT. 7When Priests are used offensively, they have overstepped their bounds. When government officials attempt to order priests around, said officials have overstepped their bounds. Priests primarily owe their loyalty of Qyrvagg and the Church.
7Second, there is legal preference. If a religion is given different legal processes, immunities to laws, or if standard procedure is deviated in favor of a certain religion, that religion is a state-run religion. 8The Church ABHORS this behavior, and believes that the legal process should always be followed. 9If the legal process of a realm is to allow the ruler 100% authority in appointing lordships, then so be it. If the legal process of a realm is to not punish murderers, then so be it (though that law IS corrupt). Qyrvaggians should always abide by their nation's laws. 10Though, if a nation's laws give special preference to a religion, then that religion is a state-run religion, and ought to be abhorred.
11Third, there is financial aid. No religion can survive without financial support from nobles; but that is different from government bankrolling. It is a hard line to draw, and hard to explain, but often easy to recognizing instinctually.
12Fourth, we have doctrinal control. If a government attempts to dictate the doctrine of the religion, then either the government is tyrannical and oppressive, or the religion is state-run. Doctrine ought to be entirely separate, from politics.
13Now then, you may ask, why does this matter? Well, for example, Qyrvaggism will NEVER endorse a Qyrvaggian theocracy. Such a thing is entirely unacceptable, and something of a contradiction in terms. 14Would we fight against it? No. Would we recognize it in any way? No. Would we encourage it? No. Would we give it's nobles any special preference they would not have held anyways? No. In fact, we would likely excommunicate the theocracy itself, institutionally, as a foreign religion (though not its nobles).
15BUT, it is not a wrongdoing for Qyrvaggism to support a realm, as we said before. There is a difference between a religion supporting a King's rule as a good and just and righteous ruler, and supporting a King because he bribes you. We will always do the first, we will never do the second. 16Those who act rightly ought to be encouraged, thos who do not act rightly ought to be discouraged from continuing their wrongdoing.
17Essentially, Qyrvaggism will support a nation, but never become identified with that nation.18 A realm's wars are not our wars; and the internal politics of a nation are not our internal politics. We transcend national boundaries; at times our members will be on opposite sides of the battlefield.
19For example, it would not be wrong for a Qyrvaggian priest, with the proper authority, to bestow the Church's blessings upon a Prime Minister, and support that Prime Minister and his rule. It WOULD be wrong for a Qyrvaggian priest to begin to declare a nation evil simply because it attacked said Prime Minister's realm.
20The basic concept is this: we will NEVER unify Church and State. But, if the two are in allignment of belief and practice anyways, and there is no breach of our moral code or legal practice, and the correct boundaries are observed, there is nothing wrong with supporting said state.