Talk:Serious Medieval Atmosphere

Perhaps one bullet should include something to the effect of: "Keep it real and reasonable: Badgers do not invade, and doughnuts haven't been invented yet. Things like this are inappropriate." - Filador

Hmm yes. But also other things. Dont start to invent electricity and please avoid making your character a god who can fly. And for sake of god. NO advy loving just because they get you uniques!!! --M2rt 17:41, 6 January 2008 (CET)

Talking about Class IC

Class is one of those quasi-OOC things that's very difficult to get around talking about when you're trying your hardest to RP seriously. We should really try to come up with some standard guidelines for talking about it in purely IC terms...but I haven't been able to come up with anything in the few minutes I've been thinking about it, and this seems like a good forum to discuss it in. Thoughts? --Anaris 18:39, 6 January 2008 (CET)

Class isn't the only thing that falls on this IC/OOC border. Turn change and other such things, as well. Coordinating your military moves is difficult enough without having to give orders like "We attack at dawn, three days hence!" Given that the players are spread around the world, they all have different ideas of what time it is now, let alone dawn will be in three days. I know that some players like to call them "ticks" instead of "turns", but that's just a euphemism, and I dislike it even more than I dislike just calling them turns. But what can you do? BattleMaster is an inherently turn-driven game, and too many things are just too difficult to refer to without using the specific OOC terms.

As far as class goes, I'm not sure how you could refer to it without directly using the OOC terms. Perhaps the ruler would just be to not refer to it at all. After all, it is something that our characters wouldn't be aware of. I think the best idea is to simply ignore character classes altogether. --Indirik 14:09, 7 January 2008 (CET)

There are some things that you can't avoid talking about in OOC terms, like turns, but I'm a fan of using an IC point of view whenever possible. Knights are the standard class, so there is rarely a need to use the term. I consider cavaliers and heroes to be the same as knights from an IC view, but my character will get offended if someone asks him to do civil work. Trader, bureaucrat, and priest are nearly impossible to get around. Infiltrator should probably never be used as the family page says that they are a trader or bureaucrat and I doubt they would be in a great hurry to let everyone know of their true line of work. Just my two cents. Fredrich 16:09, 7 January 2008 (CET)

I consider how class is referred to as purely character driven. While two of my characters refer to bureaucrats as bureaucrats, the other one fondly refers to them as 'quill pushers'. Class isn't necessarily OOC as all (Though a 'Hero' can be a little hazy). As for turns, the IC mechanism for that is already built in: Sunrise and sunset. You could call them dawn and dusk, morning and evening or whatever your character prefers. -Balewind

Hmm. You can always say he has a Hero status or is considered one / claims to be one. I'm sure thats doable. As for Sunrise / Sunset thing: I have to agree. Its already built in and should give a good IC way to talk about turns. Its even listed at the Character Screen what time of the day it is (ie: It is currently Night. Sunrise is in 5 hours, 55 minutes (server time: 0:05)) as reference for those that might get confused - Bart 00:08, 8 January 2008 (CET)

Titles

Rulers that are kings/queens should most like be called Your Highness or Your Majesty. Lords on the other hand are likely to be refered to as Your Grace. As for myself I refer to them as Your Grace, Baron Greg Touman de Tiamont. Baron being what ever the title is, then there full name with family name, then de, with the name of the region they are lord of last.

I believe that "your Grace" should more correctly used for a Duke. A Baron should just be called "Baron". --Anaris 01:28, 7 January 2008 (CET)

So.. a simple "prime minister" or whatever the title itself is called won't do? --Fodder 08:51, 7 January 2008 (CET)

You could always go for the simple ways, a ruler can be called; My leige, Sire, My king/Queen. Where as any noble with land can be called my Lord. Dosent really matter what their region is as Lord is the common word to distinguish them between those who have land and those who dont. ScottSabin 11:55, 7 January 2008 (CET)

Surely my liege is reserved for your lord.. ie the one who pays you your region/duchy share. --Fodder 22:12, 7 January 2008 (CET)

No Nonsense

Outer Tilog is a long-standing exception to this rule; should this be officially recognized on this page? I know there are also players who want to recreate the Outer Tilog atmosphere on Dwilight, too. AlexTurner 04:31, 7 January 2008 (CET)

If you want the Outer Tilog atmosphere, then join Outer Tilog, not Dwilight. I see no particular reason to duplicate a realm on another island. As soon as Tom starts handing out exceptions to one realm, then other realms are going to start asking for their own exemptions as well. --Indirik 13:32, 7 January 2008 (CET)

Fear

"# that means being afraid (at least a little) of being wounded or killed " I must disagree with this somewhat, at least that it doesn't have to show. This almost seems like saying its ok for a noble to refuse and order into battle because he is afraid. This is also not to mention that there we a few of those "fearless" people, or barbarians. To say the least, if I were in a midevil society and my leader showed an ounce of fear, I'd no longer have confidence in them.--Athins 05:05, 7 January 2008 (CET)

Having fear doesn't mean you must show it. Good leaders know how to hide their fears, only idiots lack fear. -Chénier 05:23, 7 January 2008 (CET)

I think it means doing completely unreasonable things if the game mechanics were not in place. For example, moving into an occupied region without a unit just to get scout reports because the game makes it impossible for you to be captured, or taunting a judge to the point that he threatens torture, but continuing without concern for your life. Yes, some people might be crazy enough to do these things, but they are more the exception. Fredrich 16:09, 7 January 2008 (CET)

What if we were to enable death for all classes on Dwilight only? Then people might have some *real* fear of bad things happening to their characters, and play accordingly, rather than hero-heading and accepting rampant infiltrators because the only way non-heroes can die is execution. DorianGray 05:46, 8 January 2008 (CET)

Idiots and vikings. Metsamees 14:46, 7 January 2008 (CET)