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Please put your speculations on the page
  
 
'''[[Lemon Fame 2]]'''
 
'''[[Lemon Fame 2]]'''
  
The ''only'' place to conduct your fame point speculation!
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This page should contain discussions about the Fame page itself, i.e. if anything on there is unclear, badly written, etc.
  
 
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== Change Notices ==
 
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--[[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:02, 21 November 2006 (CET)
 
--[[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:02, 21 November 2006 (CET)
  
:Woo, this myth is busted. -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 01:09, 22 November 2006 (CET)
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== Old Format ==
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I think the old format is more readable, you can snatch the ideas of the article just in a fast glance, so why replaced it with more plain descriptions?
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Since this version of MediaWiki seems like not supporting the reference function I decided to use a quite ugly way to mimic it. Not pretty but it does work. This should help organizing those minor details. -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 23:33, 6 December 2006 (CET)
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:The Fame article now takes up more space than before length-wise, leaves a lot of white space to the right and the line breaks that strech only so far across the screen also don't look right. I think this new layout looks far worse than the original I'm afraid.
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:I also think those notes at the bottom are largely irrelevant anyway. For example: ''"[1] For being elected or appointed."'' That adds nothing to the page. It's common sense you're writing down there, pointing out the obvious. It's not worth saying. Likewise statements like ''"most of the details are unknown."''' Why does this need to be said? This page is meant to be dealing with '''known''' information about fame. Not unknown. The Fame page isn't a walkthrough guide anyway. Just a point of reference for whether a fame point exists for that task...or not. - [[User:Revan|Revan]]
  
==Mentoring==
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::Don't look at me, those you are having problems with are exactly written by Tom. I just play with the format, the content is unchanged. -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 00:01, 7 December 2006 (CET)
I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that each of your characters can write a book as a mentor.  I've had two different characters become mentors and write a book and each of them got a point of fame for the family.  I assume the third character the same will happen but I dont know and cant find out (he's a hero).
 
: I've not heard of this before, but it would seem to break the one point per event per family rule, that seems to apply every where else. Perhaps it was some other event. [[User:Mcsporran|mcsporran]] 8 October 2005 00:06 (CEST)
 
::It's probably some other event, but don't discount the possibility.  After all, the Mentor position is very important to the game, and if anything is going to be a source of "free" fame points, Mentoring would be it. --[[User:Dolohov|John]] 8 October 2005 03:20 (CEST)
 
:::I seem to recall that I read some where that the first book written gets your family 3 Fame points and the next book gets you 1 Fame point.[[User:Marc J.|Marc J.]]
 
::::I suspect you got the second fame point for passing a certain prestige plateau since writing a book more often then not has a nice sum of prestige associated with it--[[User:Aralaiquendi|Aralaiquendi]] 8 October 2005 08:51 (CEST)
 
  
Can anyone confirm that the Duke fame points are still in existence? I had a character who was appointed Duchess this morning, and my fame has remained the same. --[[User:Arithon|Roy]] 11 November 2005 20:23 (CET)
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== Format Rollback ==
: I don't think it happens instantly, you might have to wait a day. --[[User:Nicholas|Nicholas]] November 12, 2005 07:23 (CET)
 
  
Yeah, you're right, I had to wait 24 hours, and then they appeared.--[[User:Arithon|Roy]] 12 November 2005 10:11 (CET)
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I changed the format for a reason - the old list style was completely unreadable.
  
== Moving the Family Mansion ==
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Yes, it's probably not perfect, and can be improved. But I'd rather have a total change discussed first, before it's done.
I heard when Heros moving their family from one place to another will also grant you 1 fame point. Not sure about it though. -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 16 November 2005 07:54 (CET)
 
: I remember when I moved my Family mansion as a Hero I received a fame point the next day for it. I had done nothing else at the time to have increased my Fame so it must have been that. Has anyone else experienced this? - [[User:Revan|Revan]]
 
:: I think this is correct, and somewhere in the copying the moving mansion became moving capital. I've fixed it. [[User:Mcsporran|mcsporran]] 10 February 2006 22:50 (CET)
 
:::Moving capital is confirmed, moving family mansion is not.--[[User:Aralaiquendi|Aralaiquendi]] 11 February 2006 01:45 (CET)
 
::::I moved my family mansion from Al Arab to Ibladesh and i got no fame, though i received some honor. --[[User:Gheros|Xiso]] 22 Feb 2006
 
:::::I moved my Family mansion 1 region away into Semall from Ejarr Puutl, for 1 prestige but no fame. Possibly you get a fame point if you move the mansion intercontinentally? --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 18 April 2006 02:40 (CEST)
 
::::::Nope, I moved mine to Plergoth from the EI, no fame. [[User:Mcsporran|mcsporran]] 18 April 2006 18:37 (CEST)
 
:::::::Me neither.. I moved from Portion (Colonies) to Cteduul (Beluaterra) and i didn't get any fame point. [[User:Shoenaemaeh|Shoenaemaeh]] 18 April 2006 18:40 (CEST)
 
::::::::Then I guess it's pretty much proven that moving the family mansion doesn't give fame, unless you do it repeatedly maybe? Sadly, not something I can test, I don't intend to go anywhere soon. --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 18 April 2006 21:02 (CEST)
 
  
== New Fame Points added ==
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--[[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:49, 7 December 2006 (CET)
2 more possible fame points were added today. Have fun finding them, the maximum is now 40.<br>
 
--[[User:Tom|Tom]] 26 December 2005 13:26 (CET)
 
  
==Mystery Point==
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:Alright, fine. Seems like everyone has his own preference. I'll branch the old style to [[List of Fame|a new entry]]. You should protect this page if you are looking for keeping this page to only yourself. -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 08:12, 7 December 2006 (CET)
I discovered today that I've gained another fame point, and I have absolutely no idea why. As you can see from the bottom of my [[T'Veria Family|wiki page]] I worked out how I got my 18, yet today I discovered I have a 19th. This is only theorising, but the only thing different is that one of my characters was appointed as a local lord very recently. I checked my history, and it's the 10th time that I've been appointed as region commander (not counting Dukedoms, which are seperate and have their own fame associated with them)), so perhaps there's now a fame point for that? It's the only thing I can come up with... --[[User:Arithon|Roy]] 24 January 2006 14:54 (CET)
 
:As well as the above fame point, I now have another FIVE which are unnaccounted for. That's six in total. If anyone wants to have a sit down and try and work out what they are for, I'd be much appreciative :) My own guess will soon. --[[User:Arithon|Roy]] 18 March 2006 13:07 (CET)
 
  
== More fame added ==
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::Yes, everyone has their preferences. Which is why I didn't like the total change without prior discussion. Branching the page is fine, no problem. --[[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:16, 9 December 2006 (CET)
I've added another 6 possible fame points today, bringing the max to 48. I also updated the database so those who have already passed some of the requirements got their fame today. That's how a few of you might suddenly find themselves 1 or more fame higher. --[[User:Tom|Tom]] 18 March 2006 14:27 (CET)
 
:Well I got two extra points today, so I'm not entirely sure what the updates were.  Using the front page I'm still a good 6 in the dark as to where they came from.  Well not entirely, I suspect that when my Hero Lelnor died (He had over 150 honor, and 60+ prestige, was quite old, and died as King and in a huge battle).  So that leaves 3-4 still unacconted for, two of which are brand new.  My guess is that it has something to do with the bounty board. I've been waiting for that to come up, another is an infiltraitor of a certain skill level, though that I find more dubious as it would likely have to be something more in line with actions.  I also have a guess as to losing rulership to rebellion.  You might look stupid, but you would be famous. [[User:Loren|Loren]] 18 March 2006 15:08 (CET)
 
:I don't know...I recieved 4 out of these new 6 points, and because I've never played a ruler, had an infiltrator or been on the bounty board, I'm inclined to believe that the majority of the new points are time-based. Or at least based upon the lower positions. --[[User:Arithon|Roy]] 19 March 2006 00:39 (CET)
 
  
I got 3 fame points today. The things that I did with my characters:
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== My Fame Points Don't Add Up ==
:1. did nothing (literally), just sat around in the capital (500th day in realm = the number of days I've been in the game for)
 
:2. moved into a region with his small cavalry unit, no battle or any events (472nd day in realm)
 
:3. attacked a city (15k CS vs 5k CS), gained prestige and honour: total family prestige rose to 80, individual by 1 to 27; family honour rose above 190, individual to 90
 
:None of them hold any positions. [[User:Nylen|Nylen]] 22 March 2006 00:53 (CET)
 
  
I recieved 3 fame: I have no idea where they came from, but looking at some others, I did collect the highest bounty yet (1550G) with an infiltrator that had 80% skill at one stage. [[User:Fanta]] - 22 March 2006 09:27 (CET)
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My character Henri has been Banker and Judge (2 points) and has been a region lord (1 point) and has a prestige of 19 (1 points). (Although as judge he executed someone and so may have lost prestige because of that so there may be another point there).
  
I received a fame point today.  The only thing my characters did:  1. fought a battle in a city.  2.  moved back and fort btwn territories helplessly confused.  3.  Was appointed Marquis (we already have had several barons, counts etc in the family, but an odd number-7 or so I think so thats probably not it) and 4. Initiated a TO in a city.  Im thinking it was the last one.  Anybody care to confirm this one? [[User:Tsubaki|Tsubaki]] 16 May 2006 1:11 (CST)
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So that's 4 points for Henri.
  
I got ONE fame point for killing someone in a duel. [[User:Primus Family]] - 11 April 2006
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Geoffrey has 28 prestige for 2 points.
: Anybody else confirm this ? [[User:Mcsporran|mcsporran]] 29 April 2006 10:37 (CEST)
 
::I can try... might take a bit of time though. --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 29 April 2006 10:57 (CEST)
 
:::Confirmed. I killed someone in a duel to death and got a fame point. --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 13:44, 7 May 2006 (CEST)
 
  
I recieved another Fame point recently, and I THINK it was because I recruited a Large unit--164 men.  Largest I've ever recruited, if someone could recruit one that size and confirm, that would be awesome. [[User:Primus Family]] - 18 May 2006
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And all my characters have a total of 56 prestige (57 if the adventurer counts) which should count for another 2.
  
== Heroes ==
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So that's 8 points altogether, but the Circumflex family only has 7So where did I go wrong?
Yesterday, I lost another one of my characters in battle. The death of Najib (December) gained me 1 fame point. The death of Kyra (yesterday) gained me 3 fame points. [[User:Tariq|Marouane]] 23 April 2006 16:31 (CEST)
 
:Same thing happened with my two Heroes - [[User:Revan|Revan]]
 
: Just so it's clear: Both of you have recieved 3 fame points for 1 hero death, and 1 more for a further hero death ? [[User:Mcsporran|mcsporran]] 29 April 2006 10:37 (CEST)
 
::I think it is supposed to be 1 for the first hero death, then three for the next one. --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 29 April 2006 10:58 (CEST)
 
::: For the love of... my third hero kicked the bucket today... logically, I am now awarded 9 fame points :P [[User:Tariq|Marouane]] 19:08, 22 August 2006 (CEST)
 
I strongly disagree with stating on this page that first hero death gets you 1 and second gets you 3: this has not, to my knowledge, been verified by Tom, and I *think* (though I'm not certain) that I saw him say somewhere that it has nothing to do with the number of heroes you have who die, but rather with how prestigious the individual hero was. --[[User:Danaris|Anaris]] 18:05, 12 September 2006 (CEST)
 
: If that's the case, his code is bugged. Najib was far more prestigious than Kyra, yet Kyra's death bagged me 3 fame points as opposed to Najib's 1 point. Also, I've heard two other people say they got 1 fame point after their first hero died, and 3 after the second died. I lost 4 heroes in total, and I didn;t get fame points for the two last ones. Which leads me to believe that you get 1 point for the first, and 3 for the second dead hero. -[[User:Tariq|Marouane]] 21:04, 12 September 2006 (CEST)
 
:: While it has been speculated that prestige is what defines a "legendary" hero, it is far from confirmed.  In fact, I think Tom has said it's not that simple.  Thus, it's entirely possible that Kyra was more legendary than Najib.  Furthermore, since you can only ever get each fame point once, once you have had one non-legendary hero die and one legendary hero die, that means you'll never get another fame point for hero deathAnd finally, my understanding of the purpose of this page is to track ''confirmed'' fame points--that is, fame points that Tom has said, "Yes, you found one, good job," not just fame points where a couple of people have noticed a pattern (which may or may not be coincidence) and decided that that ''must'' be the fame point. --[[User:Danaris|Anaris]] 21:47, 12 September 2006 (CEST)
 
::: Trust me, Kyra can never have been more legendary than Najib. Najib was around for close to a year and fought in 3 different wars. When he died, his H/P was around 90/30. Kyra was around for a month, fought two major battles and died with H/P at 30/15 or so. Also, people who lost 40 year old heroes who had very high H/P and who had been in pretty much every governmental or regional position also got only one fame point for their first dead hero. And I don't believe in coincidence either. If three people report the same exact thing happening, it is a certainty for all I care. -[[User:Tariq|Marouane]] 22:10, 12 September 2006 (CEST)
 
  
'''Speculation:'''
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--[[User:Jeffw|Jeffw]] 18:50, 20 December 2006 (CET)
  
What defines a legendary hero is one that has died in a ''huge'' battle, i.e. the whole ocntinent will know that that hero died. What could be more famous than that?
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You can only get a fame point once. You have counted the 10 individual prestige fame point twice. (Or you incorrectly counted the 20 individual prestige as being 2 points, either way.)--[[User:Indirik|Indirik]] 19:38, 20 December 2006 (CET)
  
Whether or not Tom will confirm this is not an issue as of writng, with Tom being wawy, but I can say almost certainly that it is '''not''' prestige that determines it. When I had a hero die in a governemnt position and he had 25 prestige, 1 fame, yet someone died with 27 prestige in a huge battle and gained 3 fame.
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*So the individual prestige points only count for the first of your characters to get them.  That could be made clearer. --[[User:Jeffw|Jeffw]] 23:36, 20 December 2006 (CET)
  
This ''is'' just what I think but it's definitely a likely possibilty and I would ask Tom to confirm or deny when it is an appropriate time. --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 23:13, 12 September 2006 (CEST)
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:I would refer you to the very first paragraph on the page: ''Each Fame Point is unique, and will be given only once for each condition fulfilled. <u>Trying to trigger the events with another character will not grant you repeated Fame Points, as it is a family attribute.</u> ''   How much clearer can it get? --[[User:Indirik|Indirik]] 00:15, 21 December 2006 (CET)
:: Also, I doubt that size of the battle decides whether or not a hero is legendary. For one, that would be grossly unfair. Someone who has just declared himself a hero may die in a huge battle, whereas some of the most experienced heroes may die in a simple skrimish (like Sargon of Perdan and Formidus the True of Taselak). Second, the battle that killed Najib was larger than the battle that killed Kyra (8,000 vs ~15,000 as opposed to 8,000 vs 8,000), so according to your speculation, Najib's death should be more 'legendary' than Kyra's. -[[User:Tariq|Marouane]] 01:01, 13 September 2006 (CEST)
 
  
== Fame from duels? ==
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== Clarification ==
Someone in Nighthelm asked this a while back. He had gained 2 fame points in 3 days, without doing anything noteworthy apart from dueling a lot. In another realm, he won his 25th duel, and won 10 duels in a row. Perhaps one of those things earned him a fame point or two? -[[User:Tariq|Marouane]] 16:30, 5 October 2006 (CEST)
 
  
:Hmm, I like the look of this one; I have a char with 90% sword skills, and have dueled a lot with him and only lost about 1 or two in every hundred, while also having 4 undiscovered fame points. --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 16:56, 5 October 2006 (CEST)
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The article states: <i>Region Lords get 1 point, while Dukes get 2 points. This means you can get 3 total for being first lord of a, say rural region <b>and then</b> lord of a city.</i> (Emphasis added)
  
::That would require the game to keep track in a database each characters duel records and Im not sure it does that.--[[User:Aralaiquendi|Aralaiquendi]] 18:50, 5 October 2006 (CEST)
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What about the other way around? What if someone becomes a duke and <b>then</b> a rural region lord? Is that fame point lost? Forever? --[[User:Maverick|AJ]] 09:31, 4 February 2007 (CET)
  
:::This should not be a hard job for the code to handle. All you need is a few more variables attached to the characters. -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 04:25, 24 October 2006 (CEST)
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:Nope, I'm pretty sure people have got it in reverse order - it's just very hard to become a duke before a lesser lord :) --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 12:06, 4 February 2007 (CET)
  
==Tom's Hints==
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::With one of my Characters i was Duchess of Joppo City, and then after i stepped down, became Baroness of Suuk - i received 3 fame points. [[User:Crazylozda|Crazylozda]] 19:18, 4 February 2007 (CET)
''"Only one fame point has not yet been collected - all other fame points have been earned by at least one, usually many. This one un-discovered fame point can be earned in battle."''
 
  
Hell, no idea. -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 04:25, 24 October 2006 (CEST)
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The article also put emphasis on appointed (as opposed to purchased, one presumes) lordship/dukeship. Now that the game actually allow characters to be elected to such position in certain systems, should that be reflected. Or are they 2 sets of points? --[[User:Fodder|Fodder]] 13:36, 12 February 2008 (CET)
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''"There is fame in religion"''
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== Army Sponsor - Implemented? ==
  
Building a Grand Temple? -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 04:25, 24 October 2006 (CEST)
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Erm, so did Tom say it has been implemented or someone has got that Fame? -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 02:32, 5 February 2007 (CET)
  
Possibly for converting "X" number of peasants? -- [[The_Filador_Family|Filador]] 19:59, 27 November 2006 (EST)
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:If it has been implemented, I still don't have the fame point(s). --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 07:44, 6 February 2007 (CET)
  
''"There is fame for exceptional skill(s)"''
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== Ruler Fame ==
  
Now I guess this is why some people reported back that they thought they gained a fame point for participating big battles, because the fact is their characters raised their skills above a certain threshold in the various fighting skills. -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 04:25, 24 October 2006 (CEST)
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http://wiki.battlemaster.org/index.php?title=Fame&diff=next&oldid=46288
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<br>Bannable added the text "Does not apply to Ruler" to indicate that the ruler gets fame regardless of the realm size. As far as I know, this is NOT true. I did not get any 0-day fame when elected as the ruler of a 3 region realm. I did get the 10-day fame, but that was [http://news.battlemaster.org/pipermail/discuss/2007-January/020536.html a bug]. I did not get the 100-day fame point. Unless someone has any additional information regarding this, the comment about rulers being exempted should be removed. --[[User:Indirik|Indirik]] 16:13, 25 April 2007 (CEST)
  
I'd like to confirm that 50% Preaching adds a point.  I ended up with one point for unknown reasons, around the time my preaching skill hit 50. -- [[The Filador Family|Filador]] 22:15, 23 November 2006 (EST)
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:Fror in Beluaterra ended up being Ruler of Joppo when everyone else had left. It was either a 3 region or even a 2 region realm (as one was perhaps revolted at the time. He received both the 0 day, and the 10 day fame. I think the 0 day fame took a while to come though. I'll ask him --[[User:Crazylozda|Crazylozda]] 18:06, 25 April 2007 (CEST)
  
''"There is a trader-specific fame point"''
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::I recieved both the 0 and 10 day fame for being Ruler of Kybcyell, which was never larger than 1 region.  -- [[User:Murakama|Murakama]] 05:36, 26 April 2007 (CEST)
  
Now there's motive for being traders... -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 04:25, 24 October 2006 (CEST)
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:::Kybcyell and Joppo were both '''before''' I gained the rulership of Kingdom of Alluran. Following my comment above, Tom removed the note regarding exceptions for rulers from the page. Possibly this was changed '''after''' Joppo and Kybcyell? --[[User:Indirik|Indirik]] 14:55, 26 April 2007 (CEST)
  
== Rebellion ==
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== 4/25/2007 ==
I am very sure a successful rebellion was once listed as something that will grant you a fame point. There are some people able to confirm but some said otherwise. Perhaps this is just the same as the [[Government Position]]s, that you'll need to perform rebellions in realms larger than 5 regions to claim this point? -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 04:29, 24 October 2006 (CEST)
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''"(Note that the above hints predate the 2007/04/25 update to 51 Fame points. Presumably, the brand new point is from a new feature that was added at the same time, and has probably not yet been achieved.)"''
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Does anyone know what was updated in that update, might make it easier to figure out.  I checked the discuss archives and all that was said were some message changes. --[[User:Athins|Athins]] 07:05, 4 March 2008 (CET)
  
:I always thought that the point you get for leading a rebellion is the first point for being ruler of a realm point... --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 07:39, 24 October 2006 (CEST)
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:Try the history. [http://wiki.battlemaster.org/index.php?title=Fame&diff=67452&oldid=65512] --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 17:15, 4 March 2008 (CET)
  
==Two points for writing a book?==
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== Family Fame ==
I just wrote a book with my character Brom. It was his 7th time to do it. Said my family fame increase. I went a looked and it had increased by two. It HAD to have been the book, as the only other significant things is Glenwing (a Hero) fighting a battle by himself (Overcoming 250 CS with 180CS archer unit with 100% equipment damage and not paid for 7 days), Glenwing fighting 4 battles in a row by himself (loss,win,loss,win) Glenwing being a duke for 75 days, Brom being a judge for 55 days, Broms 7th (and sussful for fame for the first time) time to write a book as a mentor and Scions rule in Heen for 88 days.
 
  
Im stumped--[[User:Twinblade|Twinblade]] 00:23, 28 October 2006 (CEST)
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My family has 2 fame. but how?
  
:Do you gain prestiege for writing a book?  It may have fulfilled an individual or family requirement. Although, winning a battle on your own as a hero is an interesting idea.  I'll look for a chance to prove/disprove that one. [[User:Fredrich|Fredrich]] 00:51, 28 October 2006 (CEST)
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The Aldwoni family, originally from Ashmoor (Atamara) has a fame of 2 and 925 gold of family wealth.
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-I have a knight(presitge 9)
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-I have a priest(prestige 2)
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-I have an adventurer(prestige 1)
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all are alive, no regionlords, not whent to tournaments, build no religion or guild.
  
Strange, I was just looking over those battle reports (battles 4 in a row) and it said that in two of the battles, when I was facing two groups of monster by myself, my archers scored hits in close combat as well as ranged combat. And their ARCHERS, not MI. A bug? --[[User:Twinblade|Twinblade]] 00:31, 28 October 2006 (CEST)
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== guild/religion fame ==
  
:I don't think this is a bug, I've seen it nearly every battle I have with archers.  Baisically, when the enemy is in the adjacent line, ranged units can fire on them as they charge as well as fighting in melee when the enemy gets closer. [[User:Fredrich|Fredrich]] 00:51, 28 October 2006 (CEST)
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Fame wise, are there any differences between founding a guild and a secret society? I would expect not, but I am not sure why I got an extra point (3 instead of 2) and did not pay close enough attention to figure out exactly when I got it. Then again, I am not sure I actually got a point for publishing a book as mentor. (months back) I suspect I didn't, but I was think it might give a point, but not always in the 1st book. Why that point should appear right now is a bit beyond me though, as I currently have no mentor and only ever published once. Probably it's a trader point that I got earlier but didn't notice --[[User:Fodder|Fodder]] 14:11, 23 September 2008 (CEST)
  
Oooh, I just thought of somthing. When you get a perfect report from a student, you get 11 points. That was my *5* time to get a perfect score. Perhaps is just another point of fame that can be earned by a good mentor. Anyone wanna test this to see if its true?--[[User:Twinblade|Twinblade]] 02:11, 28 October 2006 (CEST)
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== Unknown Fame ==
  
==Mysterious Fame==
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Would it be possible to have an unknown point for getting honor/prestige when doing civil work? Or for a noble to be marshal?
I have gotten two more points of Fame. 24 and 25 successively. And I have done NOTHING of significance. Scion has damaged military infastrature in Sotrebar for the past 4 turns. Doing 22% 22% 19% and 19% in that order. Glenwing has done nothing but sit in Affkat and scout for the past 4 turns. Brom has done nothing but patrol the streets and travel. And all of my characters have been in thier realms less than 200 days.
 
  
Anyone have any suggestions? I hate not knowing what I accomplished, whether it be on purpose or by accitdent. Oh! Scion reached 200 honor a few turns ago. Thats my hunch for Fame # 24.--[[User:Twinblade|Twinblade]] 23:13, 15 November 2006 (CET)
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:I doubt that there's a fame point for civil work. There is supposed to be fame in Marshalling, but no one really knows an exact criteria. --[[User:Indirik|Indirik]] 14:45, 18 October 2008 (CEST)
  
== Fame by time? ==
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::I am pretty sure the marshal one is either taking command of your army for the first time, or using a marshal setting for the first time.--[[User:Athins|Athins]] 22:35, 18 October 2008 (CEST)
It's just been 2 months since I joined BM, and out of nowhere, I get an additional point of fame. Think this is related? -[[User:Chénier|Chénier]] 00:13, 30 November 2006 (CET)
 
  
:Tell us what you did the day before you get the additional Fame will be more helpful. -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 01:21, 30 November 2006 (CET)
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== Deaths ==
  
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Confirmed that dying in a duel does NOT earn you a fame point.
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http://bugs.battlemaster.org/view.php?id=4684
  
::Nothing, really. The point coincided with a minor battle (1000-2000CS)that my bureaucrat and my hero fought in against monsters, which brought me to a total of 20 prestige, but that point also got included. That's all I did, just march to the rural region and fought the undead before they started feating on the peasents. I am at 3 points of fame, 2 are thanks to the prestige (20 total). -[[User:Chénier|Chénier]] 21:27, 1 December 2006 (CET)
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:Considering that Tom added the "any death gets you fame" line, I would suspect that is part of [http://bugs.battlemaster.org/view.php?id=1601 this bug]. Also, your above link seems to be to a private report or something. --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]]

Latest revision as of 08:42, 28 January 2009

Please put your speculations on the page

Lemon Fame 2

This page should contain discussions about the Fame page itself, i.e. if anything on there is unclear, badly written, etc.


Change Notices

When reading the Fame page, check the history. If anything was changed after my last edit, it may or may not be true. The addition that was added to hero death details, for example, was false. The number of fame points has nothing to do with the size of the battle the hero dies in. --Tom 23:02, 21 November 2006 (CET)

Old Format

I think the old format is more readable, you can snatch the ideas of the article just in a fast glance, so why replaced it with more plain descriptions?


Since this version of MediaWiki seems like not supporting the reference function I decided to use a quite ugly way to mimic it. Not pretty but it does work. This should help organizing those minor details. -- Gsklee 23:33, 6 December 2006 (CET)

The Fame article now takes up more space than before length-wise, leaves a lot of white space to the right and the line breaks that strech only so far across the screen also don't look right. I think this new layout looks far worse than the original I'm afraid.
I also think those notes at the bottom are largely irrelevant anyway. For example: "[1] For being elected or appointed." That adds nothing to the page. It's common sense you're writing down there, pointing out the obvious. It's not worth saying. Likewise statements like "most of the details are unknown."' Why does this need to be said? This page is meant to be dealing with known information about fame. Not unknown. The Fame page isn't a walkthrough guide anyway. Just a point of reference for whether a fame point exists for that task...or not. - Revan
Don't look at me, those you are having problems with are exactly written by Tom. I just play with the format, the content is unchanged. -- Gsklee 00:01, 7 December 2006 (CET)

Format Rollback

I changed the format for a reason - the old list style was completely unreadable.

Yes, it's probably not perfect, and can be improved. But I'd rather have a total change discussed first, before it's done.

--Tom 07:49, 7 December 2006 (CET)

Alright, fine. Seems like everyone has his own preference. I'll branch the old style to a new entry. You should protect this page if you are looking for keeping this page to only yourself. -- Gsklee 08:12, 7 December 2006 (CET)
Yes, everyone has their preferences. Which is why I didn't like the total change without prior discussion. Branching the page is fine, no problem. --Tom 00:16, 9 December 2006 (CET)

My Fame Points Don't Add Up

My character Henri has been Banker and Judge (2 points) and has been a region lord (1 point) and has a prestige of 19 (1 points). (Although as judge he executed someone and so may have lost prestige because of that so there may be another point there).

So that's 4 points for Henri.

Geoffrey has 28 prestige for 2 points.

And all my characters have a total of 56 prestige (57 if the adventurer counts) which should count for another 2.

So that's 8 points altogether, but the Circumflex family only has 7. So where did I go wrong?

--Jeffw 18:50, 20 December 2006 (CET)

You can only get a fame point once. You have counted the 10 individual prestige fame point twice. (Or you incorrectly counted the 20 individual prestige as being 2 points, either way.)--Indirik 19:38, 20 December 2006 (CET)

  • So the individual prestige points only count for the first of your characters to get them. That could be made clearer. --Jeffw 23:36, 20 December 2006 (CET)
I would refer you to the very first paragraph on the page: Each Fame Point is unique, and will be given only once for each condition fulfilled. Trying to trigger the events with another character will not grant you repeated Fame Points, as it is a family attribute. How much clearer can it get? --Indirik 00:15, 21 December 2006 (CET)

Clarification

The article states: Region Lords get 1 point, while Dukes get 2 points. This means you can get 3 total for being first lord of a, say rural region and then lord of a city. (Emphasis added)

What about the other way around? What if someone becomes a duke and then a rural region lord? Is that fame point lost? Forever? --AJ 09:31, 4 February 2007 (CET)

Nope, I'm pretty sure people have got it in reverse order - it's just very hard to become a duke before a lesser lord :) --The1exile 12:06, 4 February 2007 (CET)
With one of my Characters i was Duchess of Joppo City, and then after i stepped down, became Baroness of Suuk - i received 3 fame points. Crazylozda 19:18, 4 February 2007 (CET)

The article also put emphasis on appointed (as opposed to purchased, one presumes) lordship/dukeship. Now that the game actually allow characters to be elected to such position in certain systems, should that be reflected. Or are they 2 sets of points? --Fodder 13:36, 12 February 2008 (CET)


Army Sponsor - Implemented?

Erm, so did Tom say it has been implemented or someone has got that Fame? -- Gsklee 02:32, 5 February 2007 (CET)

If it has been implemented, I still don't have the fame point(s). --The1exile 07:44, 6 February 2007 (CET)

Ruler Fame

http://wiki.battlemaster.org/index.php?title=Fame&diff=next&oldid=46288
Bannable added the text "Does not apply to Ruler" to indicate that the ruler gets fame regardless of the realm size. As far as I know, this is NOT true. I did not get any 0-day fame when elected as the ruler of a 3 region realm. I did get the 10-day fame, but that was a bug. I did not get the 100-day fame point. Unless someone has any additional information regarding this, the comment about rulers being exempted should be removed. --Indirik 16:13, 25 April 2007 (CEST)

Fror in Beluaterra ended up being Ruler of Joppo when everyone else had left. It was either a 3 region or even a 2 region realm (as one was perhaps revolted at the time. He received both the 0 day, and the 10 day fame. I think the 0 day fame took a while to come though. I'll ask him --Crazylozda 18:06, 25 April 2007 (CEST)
I recieved both the 0 and 10 day fame for being Ruler of Kybcyell, which was never larger than 1 region. -- Murakama 05:36, 26 April 2007 (CEST)
Kybcyell and Joppo were both before I gained the rulership of Kingdom of Alluran. Following my comment above, Tom removed the note regarding exceptions for rulers from the page. Possibly this was changed after Joppo and Kybcyell? --Indirik 14:55, 26 April 2007 (CEST)

4/25/2007

"(Note that the above hints predate the 2007/04/25 update to 51 Fame points. Presumably, the brand new point is from a new feature that was added at the same time, and has probably not yet been achieved.)" Does anyone know what was updated in that update, might make it easier to figure out. I checked the discuss archives and all that was said were some message changes. --Athins 07:05, 4 March 2008 (CET)

Try the history. [1] --The1exile 17:15, 4 March 2008 (CET)

Family Fame

My family has 2 fame. but how?

The Aldwoni family, originally from Ashmoor (Atamara) has a fame of 2 and 925 gold of family wealth. -I have a knight(presitge 9) -I have a priest(prestige 2) -I have an adventurer(prestige 1) all are alive, no regionlords, not whent to tournaments, build no religion or guild.

guild/religion fame

Fame wise, are there any differences between founding a guild and a secret society? I would expect not, but I am not sure why I got an extra point (3 instead of 2) and did not pay close enough attention to figure out exactly when I got it. Then again, I am not sure I actually got a point for publishing a book as mentor. (months back) I suspect I didn't, but I was think it might give a point, but not always in the 1st book. Why that point should appear right now is a bit beyond me though, as I currently have no mentor and only ever published once. Probably it's a trader point that I got earlier but didn't notice --Fodder 14:11, 23 September 2008 (CEST)

Unknown Fame

Would it be possible to have an unknown point for getting honor/prestige when doing civil work? Or for a noble to be marshal?

I doubt that there's a fame point for civil work. There is supposed to be fame in Marshalling, but no one really knows an exact criteria. --Indirik 14:45, 18 October 2008 (CEST)
I am pretty sure the marshal one is either taking command of your army for the first time, or using a marshal setting for the first time.--Athins 22:35, 18 October 2008 (CEST)

Deaths

Confirmed that dying in a duel does NOT earn you a fame point. http://bugs.battlemaster.org/view.php?id=4684

Considering that Tom added the "any death gets you fame" line, I would suspect that is part of this bug. Also, your above link seems to be to a private report or something. --The1exile