Talk:Itorunt Informer/September '09

Caligus Is A Beacon of Lies to the World

On the first matter, closed borders do not prevent a war.
On the second, CoF had failed by the time we signed peace and Fontan had been reduced to what you see now. We were actually the only realm which helped them during their short spell, name one other realm which aided them directly by attempting to defend their lands. Caligus has never been at war with Sirion, unlike Perdan, who have done exactly what you are accusing Caligus of doing. And the noble accused by Caligus of carrying out the acts in Moyale was fined for the acts, accusations were therefore justified.
On the third matter, would Itorunt let their allies starve? Who's dishonourable now? This count I will not deny, in fact I am proud of it.
Finally on the fourth count, those fine upstanding gentlemen are examples of nobilty. The land was claimed by Caligus at the start of hostilities with Ibladesh yet the governments of Itorunt and Perdan sought to claim the lands unjustly while leaving Caligus to fight Ibladesh in order to free up Itorunt's army. Not once during our "alliance" did Itorunt aide Caligus in battle.

I look forward to reading your surrender, yours, --Ulthuan 01:28, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

No one wrote that they prevented a war. A diplomat was within Itorunt's borders despite our closed borders policy. This list of crimes, including this very reason, was written as the reasoning for formally expelling diplomats from Itorunt. Then your King claimed this list was false. Does he deny that this existed? Or does he expect us to make exceptions for his diplomats who have no more honor than the rest of Caligus? Either way, this war is being waged by Caligus to force the opening of borders, a domain not belonging to the King.

You are either a two-faced liar or a bumbling idiot. The Confederacy of Fontan may not have been expanding, but we were holding onto our two regions while fighting over the third. This was due to the help of several realms, of which I am grateful. Of all realms, Perdan, especially Duke Maelg Vallejo of Perdan City, was most helpful to our effort. Unfortunately, they had such a lengthy distance that assistance was not frequent. Caligus was nearby and could have been their more frequently. Early on, they were. However, when it became apparent their realm would not grow any further, they backed away from it. When an attack on Viseu was planned by myself, your King had Caligus avoid it. It would have been successful had they joined us. I later discovered that Caligus was investigating peace with Fontan. As I mentioned earlier, Perdan assisted. Sirion did as well.

Regarding Dewey, you again show that you are either a liar or an idiot. He was not, as reported by your own newspaper, fined for any alleged wounding of the lord. He was fined, without proof as far as I know, of another lord's unfortunate wounding.

Itorunt wouldn't go to war with Keplerstan against Evilstani, betray Keplerstani for Evilstani, feed Evilstani, and then declare war against Keplerstan when they got listed feeding their enemy as a crime against Keplerstan.

Are these fine examples of nobility the same ones that secede realms and betray oaths to create hated realms from another land? And the fact that you claimed the land only proves the further greed of Caligus. The land has never rightfully been Caligus'. It was Itorunt that defeated Isadril. It was Itorunt that was allied to Fallangard. It was Itorunt that was allied to Yssaria. The only time Caligus ever had Isadril was because of one who betrayed the city to Caligus. It was then returned to Yssaria by the local nobility. Is it not odd how Caligus has only acquired the city through deceitful actions? --Hamilton Vita

• "We were actually the only realm which helped them during their short spell, name one other realm which aided them directly by attempting to defend their lands." - Actually, this is quite easy to disprove: Perdan formed a special army, the Perdan Relief Army, for the express purpose of aiding the Confederation. This army spent quite a bit of time in CoF lands fighting Fontan. Caligus' "help", if you could call it that, was largely ineffective, the few times it was there. This was largely the result of very poor coordination, and Caligus was really only interested in taking Fontan lands for themselves, and not actually defending CoF lands.
• "And the noble accused by Caligus of carrying out the acts in Moyale was fined for the acts, accusations were therefore justified." Dewey was indeed fined, but not for attacking the Countess of Moyale. Dewey was fined for being in a Caligan region, where he had no reason to be. Caligus has no proof that Sir Dewey was the one who attacked the Countess. For all we know, she tripped and fell on her own knife.
• "[Tuchanon] land was claimed by Caligus at the start of hostilities with Ibladesh" - So, wait, you're telling me that when Caligus attacked Ibladesh, they claimed Tuchanon lands at the same time? But you didn't actually attack Tuchanon. You just walked past them, waved across the river, and said "That land over there belongs to us". Then actually did absolutely nothing to go about taking it. Until Perdan did all the work to drive it rogue. Then you decided to exercise your "claim" and take the lands. Once there was no opposition.
• "leaving Caligus to fight Ibladesh in order to free up Itorunt's army" - It's not like Caligus really needed any help. You declared war, waltzed in and stole a few Ibladesh regions, and then forced Ibladesh to sign peace, with the implied threat that if they didn't, you'd just take more regions. They didn't actually have much choice, since at that time the Ibladeshian army was in horrible shape. It should also be pointed out that, at the time, Perdan was not involved in conflict with Ibladesh in any way. Perdan was explicitly and expressly fighting only Tuchanon. So why would you assume that Perdan would aide Caligus? How can you possibly claim that Perdan "unjustly" left Caligus to fight Ibladesh unaided? You declared the war and moved in of your own free will, with the full knowledge that Perdan wouldn't be fighting on your side.

If this is representative of Caligan logic, then I'm not surprised that relations between Caligus and Perdan have declined to the point where we are actively at war. --Indirik (talk), Editor (talk) 03:01, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Firstly I did not speak up here to be insulted, I came here to open an honest discussion. We are not barbarians we are nobles.

I will be honest my memory is clouded on what happened in the war with Fontan, I am not admitting fault I am merely saying Ido not fully remember the exact change of events. I am pretty sure however that peace was signed shortly before Perdan and Westmoor did and that CoF was already lost.

Isadril had been sighted as a target by Caligus for a long time, butwe felt Itorunt needed help against Ibladesh as Perdan was already at war with TV. The fact that Perdan and Itorunt either ignored clarification requests from Caligus on their intention for Isadril or denied wanting to take the region, was all the proof we needed of underhandedness afoot. Had there been a colony on the cards Caligus would gladly have supported such a venture provided that treaties be set up before hand to prevent a war against the colony. We felt however that Itorunt would get the region and due to our recent falling back from the war against Ibladesh would be hostile in future.

As to leaving the war, I will say no more than I already have for I feel I have sufficiently justified our actions in my previous statement.

As to Dewey I will let the following speak for itself.

Letter from Balkeese Indirik (7 days, 12 hours ago)

Message sent to everyone in "Sanctus Acies" (37 recipients)

Lord Rye has determined that there is probably cause to suspect his brother Dewet in the attack on Lord Revelation. He has taken the following action.

Fine issued (1 hour, 14 minutes ago)

Rye Stienski, Arch Priest of Perdan has put a penalty of 250 gold on Dewey Stienski (Knight of Perdan) for this reason:

There is reasonable suspision it was you Dewey who blanatly disregarded the King's wishes, consider the the first part of your punishment for you disregard of King Sangue's request to leave the Count alone.

I am deeply sorry for this unfortunate incident.

Lady Balkeese Indirik

Duchess of Castle Ubent

Again I hope this discussion can continue in a respectful manner, for I will leave it if I am again insulted.

Yours, --Ulthuan 15:40, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

If you aren't sure of what happened, then why are you stating things as if the were fact? I also find it interesting that if Perdan does not tell Caligus what it is doing, that Caligus assumes it must be some dirty, underhanded trickery. We were allies. Why would you assume that we were doing something underhanded? --Indirik (talk), Editor (talk) 18:09, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I have no respect for dishonorable backstabbers and liars. Prove yourself different than those Caligans who have betrayed multiple realms and I may respect you. Your speech is despicable. You claim no fault despite your ignorance of events? This is ridiculous. How can you not accept fault when it is based upon ignorance? The fact is I was banker, marshal, and acting general of Confederacy of Fontan. I know that Caligus backed out of defending the Confederacy in a key battle because they were in peace negotiations. Regarding Dewey, you need to learn how to comprehend the immensely clear and beautiful writing of the honorable Duchess Balkeese Indirik. She wrote that he was fined for an attack upon Lord Revelation; not the Countess of Moyale. Even then, the duchess wrote of reasonable suspicion, not of proof. --Hamilton Vita