Talk:Itorunt Informer/August '06

Peace with Perdan

Alex, you guys are taking off the claim on Lorient. --Atticus

Yep, sorry, I haven't proofread this yet. I have another three articles lined up or so. --The1exile 15:51, 1 August 2006 (CEST)

Sacking of Perdan

Also, Perdan was not sacked "for a full day". The turn immediately following the Sorion/Fontan victory, The Perdan reinforcements arrived and completely obliterated the attackers. They had looting rights in Partora for exactly 12 hours. I think we can all agree that 12 hours is not "a full day". --Indirik 03:11, 2 August 2006 (CEST)

It is a bit of creative writing, but the "sacking" refers also to the first battle in which they damaged the fortifications hugely. Damaging the walls could be construed as sacking; add to that the reinforcements, and the 12 hours of looting time. --The1exile 03:19, 2 August 2006 (CEST)

Interesting interpretation. I'll have to remember the creative math when reading your other articles.--Indirik 03:31, 2 August 2006 (CEST)

Yssarian Peace

Aeillien claims that Caligus has a decision to make now, not six months ago. He states that Caligus' current decision to make is: "The choice for Caligus is clear, some honor in defeat, or total dishonor leading to total destruction." The clear implication is that Caligus *can* make a choice to accept defeat with honor. And what, pray tell, is that choice? To surrender their capital and only city? That's not defeat with honor, it is suicide. If you are taking historical actions into consideration, then the current statement should be that Caligus previously had the opportunity to surrender with honor, and chose to die fighting instead. The current "choice" is as I described: Die or we'll kill you. That is clearly Hobson's choice. Thus, it is no choice. Yssaria intends the death of Caligus. Claiming that Yssaria is currently giving them a choice is as I said, merely the executioner's warrant masquerading as a peace treaty. Since both paths lead to the same ends, then the obvious choice is to chose the path that allows at least some small hope of survival. That path is the path of resistance. Given their recent string of military victories, their destruction through military means is far from certain. You, Alex, of all people, should understand that. --Indirik 03:29, 2 August 2006 (CEST)

I can only agree with this, Its not really nice to spread incomplete or even false information.
If i have to believe your news paper(s), Caligus is the big demon that caused all wars and started everything.
Wich is just simply false if you know the history of the EC.
Please keep it with facts, because these newspapers are turned into complete propaganda machines.
--Nosferatus

Why bother? This (and a number of other papers on the EC) have no journalistic integrity, they are simply highly skewed and opinionated propaganda rags. They will say whatever they want to say and call it truth. Truthiness in action! -Balewind

It is not suicide, not if Nosferatus here would tell you his negotiations with LoF to have a townsland returned to them. They have had the terms for a long time, signed their own death warrant; so the terms are not changing, why should they? When these terms were made it was made perfectly clear that Caligus would have to have somewhere to go. They would have to find it themselves.

And of course, don't forget, it was Caligus along with Ubnet who fought them in the beginning. --The1exile 13:50, 2 August 2006 (CEST)

Caligus

Well, I think they're doomed now. Since you guys aren't fighting us (Perdan) you can put your whole army to killing Caligus now, I reckon? -- Atticus

Smart comment, Atticus. As you can see in my most recentarticle, we have 17K CS moving from one region (not the capital, by the way), while Caligus had what, 12K CS in their capital three days back, with neglible forces in otehr regions such as Supra (which they withdrew from). And thats not even counting what we have leaving the capital after taxes, what Yssaria is brining, and what was still in transit at time of writing.

And by the way, thanks for Bisciye, Dal is mate of mine and a very worthy lord of that region. --The1exile 17:35, 5 August 2006 (CEST)

One of our TL's got confused when it said we gave you guys bisicye, and the queen had to actually remind the poor guy of what the hell was going on.

I don't see you guys being able to hold onto Bisciye, It's waaaay far away from your capital. Which, by the way, your capital is very nicely placed. I suggested way back to the realm that we make peace with you guys because there wasn't a chance in hell that we could make it all the way down to itorunt to whoop - I mean fight you guys. Perdans capital is a damn bad spot, and so is Caligus'. :-/ -- Atticus

No sh*t. You should see the duchy sizes by now (hint: look where the nearest city is to the west). But it is likely the capital will be moved, once Caligus has died, we get all our regions and appoint all the lords to get everyone in place.

Perdan isn't actually in a bad spot. It was moved precisely to make it a better spot when the main concern was ibladesh. Who you couldn't beat. Hmm. And you could whoop us? i oubt it. remember PMW? I personally fought in that fight and we kicked your raiding detachments behinds as one of the last units on the field (alongside Vidad Filador, now in teh far east, and I think NielsCav unit which we drove from the field. WIth archers. Suckers.) --The1exile 20:16, 5 August 2006 (CEST)

Maybe not a whooping, but it was very evenly matched. We held you guys back, and when you guys got sent packing, you really got sent packing. That's a damn long march ahead of an army.

And we had Ibladesh on the ropes. We sacked Ibladesh city two, three times? So we beat them back, one on one, sometimes two on one, and I've only seen once we're yssaria got in the fight, and it was a puny little detachment. You gotta give us credit alex, we held both of you back, but ysissy doesn't count because they're always busy.

And as for PMW - some stuff works, some stuff doesn't. They are geared towards raiding, not sluggin' it out with a whole army. -- Atticus

I suggest you read The article about the defeat of PMW, we didn't have the whole army, as the army was still in Ibladesh city. Ibladesh really does suck though, it has to be said. Had it gone on a little longer I think it would have been likely that Perdan and Itorunt would have been fighting in Betholm and Zawr, back and forth.

Itorunt and Perdan were the main fighters in theis war, but Itorunt had further to go every tme. Ibladesh was like a little kid wadering around kicking Perdans shins while Itorunt and Perdan were using fisticuffs. --The1exile 12:35, 7 August 2006 (CEST)

They sure act like that little kid. I hope/wish that Perdan comes to peace with them. Man, that'd be nice. Or itorunt could attack them... just like old times! - Atticus

Well, I doubt we'd ever attack them without provocation although yes; if we don't get Itor Boss and Nimraw, war maight be the only way we could claim them.

I'd rather see them attacking us (because I would never want to fight the Yssarians). --The1exile 16:27, 7 August 2006 (CEST)

Yssaria got peanuts. They'd be a minor inconvience, I presume. -- Atticus P.S by-the-by, did you write that article?

Yssaria is actually competent, and besides, I actually don't want to fight them. I rather like being on good terms with Aeillien.

Also theres the question of our image. Although were we ever to fight Yssaria I imagine that Tota would be come hotly contested territory. Which article? --The1exile 17:51, 7 August 2006 (CEST)

Nevermind. I thought it was somewhat selfish to write that your a hero, but then i remember it's a class. And by-the-by, are you guys abandoning Bisciye?-- Atticus

No, our buros are doing work all around and Dal, the lord, is curretnyl there always holding court. Our army is away, attacking Cailgus soon. --The1exile 20:31, 7 August 2006 (CEST)

Roll out the carpet, I guess. -- Atticus

Do you got that Battle report, alex? I'd like to see it.

Which? Winkamus? I am opposed to putting battle reports on the wiki as they use up tons of space for no useful purpose. --The1exile 23:47, 8 August 2006 (CEST)

Ya, Winkamus. I was thinking it might not have been stragglers you hit. Could've been the foxes.

22 D Green Peace Glen Caligus 5 Inf line 104

23 D Nascot Minute Marchers Nanashi of Caligus 7 Inf line 107

24 D Palace Longbowmen (3) son of patrick Caligus 14 Arch wedge 201

25 D the punch line Molance Caligus 9 Inf line 137

26 D Caligan Tigers Tristan Caligus 9 Inf line 196

We hit their general, who then spoke to us after the battle, but otherwise you can judge.

Nah, those weren't foxes. Foxes got lotsa prestigious nobles in 'em who are well known. -- Atticus.

Defeat

I damn near jumped out of my seat when you guys didn't destroy Domus. --Atticus

You have no idea how painful this is right now. --The1exile 19:36, 10 August 2006 (CEST)

Are they rubbing it in? -- atticus

No... our general forgot to move... they don't have to.

Actually, the Caligans are making easy targets of themselves. --The1exile 20:28, 10 August 2006 (CEST)

Did you still want to write the joint article for this particular battle, Alex? I'm for it if you are. I should note that I won't be "around" to talk it over till later tonight (8pm EST), but I'll try to get on IRC to look for you as soon as I get home. IRL could have picked abetter time to get kinda busy for me, but eh. And yes, attacking Domus itself is pretty painful. But, like Alex said, their making sitting ducks of themselves. --Aeillien 22:08, 10 August 2006 (CEST)

...Being in prison sucks. Not just because it's a Caligan prison... I doubt they'll let me send out any articles insulting them. --Ichigo, Kurosaki Family 17:00, 11 August 2006 (CEST)

You don't really insult people in your articles, like Alex does, Ichigo. :p -- Atticus

Ah, but prison changes people... --Ichigo, Kurosaki Family 01:11, 16 August 2006 (CEST)

Hidden message

I like it. --Indirik 02:50, 15 August 2006 (CEST)

Thanks. Thought you would. I'm a cynic of both realms. --The1exile 03:03, 15 August 2006 (CEST)

...And I like it too. --Ichigo, Kurosaki Family 07:53, 23 August 2006 (CEST)

Coimbra

Fontan did deliver the final blow to Coimbra, but you have to see it in context. Coimbra was as good as dead, they had only Viseu left after Oligarch (?) took Krimml and other regions. In order to prevent Viseu from falling into their hands as well, Fontan and Coimbra agreed to start a war so that Fontan could annex Viseu. Why they didn't just hand over the region is a mystery to me. Marouane 15:46, 15 August 2006 (CEST)

Key phrase is "coup de grace". --The1exile 16:29, 15 August 2006 (CEST)

Death of Alex

Wow, that has got to be the shortest lived hero High Marshal I have ever seen! How long was Alex HM of Itorunt? It is a loss though, for although I did not know him, I knew of him. On a lighter note (for me though really) I am sure that the Itorunt Informer will never be the same....perhaps now the OR Press can get some more readers :) --Bob 23 August 2006 16:04 (AEST)

OOC: About two days... man this sucks, two of my chararcters have died in what... 4 days? I need a good RP reason to have another char in Itorunt. --The1exile 11:39, 23 August 2006 (CEST)

haha! This is the best news the II has had to report in a long time! Ding-Dong, the prick is dead! -Does a merry little jig- OOC: The best RP reason to have another charri in Itorunt right now is to bury Alex. Your characters family is from Semall, after all. Hynes 13:02, 23 August 2006 (CEST)

Your apathy is so huge it could fill a chasm full of lack of integrity.

(OOC: I have a char in Ibladesh that will be claiming sympathtic leave to bury Alex.)

son of Patrick Hrothgar Chingy The TL's that led Caligus's archer units in the battle. Alex was killed by archer fire. Remember their names. - Terminus Mithrandir_Family

Sorry to hear about the death of Alex. But, on the other hand, you always did say it was way too hard for heroes to die. Looks like the game finally heard you. --Indirik 20:32, 23 August 2006 (CEST)