User talk:Indirik

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I really like your banner in the contest, it's a sunny, cheerful banner. If it doesn't win, would you consider letting others use it for another realm? (I don't have any in mind, I'd just love to see it in game). --PrinceScamp 09:27, 6 September 2007 (CEST)

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I would just like to say that writing that article is one of the greatest things you could have done to end the EC's peace. It fits perfectly with a letter my character send to the Church of Ibladesh in hopes of sparking a conflict. So, I just wanted to say thank you, and you rule. Fredrich 22:42, 6 September 2007 (CEST)

Unfortunately, I can't find it right now. It might have been deleted already, but I thought messages were saved for a month, not just two weeks. Anyway, the basic idea was that Ubent was attempting to spread its influence through this religion, and that it was done without permission in Caligus and Yssaria. It was almost entirely BS at the time, but thanks to this new temple and your article's bias, it now looks like a reliable source. I hope something happens because of it. Playing a deceiving backstabber in a quiet realm is pretty hard. Fredrich 23:20, 7 September 2007 (CEST)

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I love this! You're my personal hero for today for adding this subtle reminder to help the less perceptive. ^_^ -- Murakama 01:10, 20 November 2007 (CET)

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First of all, thank you for the compliment about my work. Its all "in progress" so I'm never happy with it... and I hope to tie it all together quite soon. Appreciate you saying you like it.

Now, regarding the subpage issue - first let me say this. Please do not move MY pages - I would not presume to move anything from another contributer without discussing it with them in a back and forth - had you asked me about it I could have told you what I'm about to say now, so you can understand that I wasn't flaunting the style guide convention. Let me explain how I had this set up so it can be better understood, because I am trying to work within the style guide while not being held hostage to it.

This is not the first time people have asked me about subpaging. What I do is put the actual article itself in a page that is appropriately named (ie my characters names themselves, rather than the subpage of my family) so the title of the article doesn't look ridiculous (I mean Arylon Family/Fisc for an article name looks absurd - its much more easily read and cleaner looking if the title is the appropriate name).

However, I am sensitive to the style guide, and the necessity to keep all articles streamlined for navigations sake, hyperlinking and what have you to specific subpages based on convention. As such, what I do is point a redirect on the subpage (ie on Arylon Family/Fisc - I have it redirect to Fisc Arylon) - that way anyone who attempts to navigate to any of my pages based on conventions of the style guide, or from links on the game itself will be able to access the article without having to search for it or otherwise get confused... but at the same time I get clean looking articles.

In other words, the subpages actively give you what would be there normally, but they redirect to proper article names. I'm more than a little OCD and seeing Arylon Family/Taran for a character's article name drives me absolutely batty - it would be like going to wikipedia and having an article named Bush Family/George W. It just looks stupid, looks messy and lame and I think makes the article look silly.

But as I said, I understand the reasons the style guide exists - and so I have come up with the redirect subpage technique to make sure the style guide is satisfied, while at the same time I can have article names that don't make me want to tear my hair out. There is nothing about the way I do it that causes problems with navigation or convention - in fact I don't see any issue with it at all. The style guide wants subpages to be navigatable - and they are - they just redirect to proper article titles.

And I might add it also makes the wiki more searchable. Under the subpage organization, if I type in "Fisc Arylon" to the searchbox - I will get search results and have to comb through all the articles that mention my characters name (which is a lot) and find the actual article. If my characters actual article is located under its proper name, and I type in "Fisc Arylon" in the searchbar then I am brought RIGHT to the page I want and don't have to muddle around the search results.

Now it should be noted I only use this style with things I know won't be duplicated (I don't make pages like "Sports" and tie them to specific families, realms, etc) - only do it when I know the article names won't be messing anything up (there will never be a Fisc Arylon article unless I write it for example).

So, to wrap up what I'm saying - in the future please do not move my articles without my consent. I am not ignoring or flaunting the style guide, I'm working within it to make it better (for me). I was in the middle of fixing, updating and creating about 15 different pages, and now that some have been moved, others haven't, and still others are yet to be created, I'm going to have do to extra work to standardize and unify all of the articles under one consistent style.

Thanks for your concern - but please understand that I know what I'm doing when I write wiki pages... I am not flaunting the style guide, I'm working within it to make my articles the best they can be. In the future if you have a concern with how I'm doing something, please just ask me about it before you move my work. You will see that anyone who writes to my accounts discussion page gets a response on THEIR discussion page - so ask and wait for my answer first. Arylon 20:02, 7 March 2008 (CET)