Talk:The Fronen Commentator/Edition:2

I believe Retravic is well aware of the consequences. But, you see, we in the CCA prefer to do what is morally right. Vellos 13:51, 5 January 2007 (CET)

ay! I love this! Morally right as in 'defined by Hireshmont'? Or morally right as in 'what profits Irombrozia?' Or morally right as in 'lets attack those whom we worked together with'? Or morally right as in 'lets break an alliance'? I admit to some confusion there...grin TanSerrai 14:06, 5 January 2007 (CET)

Why should Fwuvoghor have to listen to anyone regarding it's right of passage policy? Right now, Riombara and Irombrozia are enemies. Fwuvoghor and Irombrozia are allies. Riombara and Fronen are allies. Given these facts, I think it is only normal that Fwuvoghor denies passage to Fronen, as they may be marching to attack Irombrozia as well as Luz de Bia. So basically, Fronen is the one who denies one realm to help their allies, under threat of war. This anti-Luz alliance seems to have a knack for that. First Thalmarkin meddles in, than Old Grehk started playing the 'ally's defense' card, and now Fronen wants to threaten a tiny realm to let them through? Why don't you cowards march through Enweil instead, I'm sure we could arrange a nice welcoming comittee. You all were so courageaous when it was Luz de Bia against all her enemies, but now that Irombrozia is no longer fighting Luz de Bia, and Enweil has appeared on stage, you have to result to backdoor tactics to regain your overwhelming advantage. Old Grehk, Fronen, Riombara, and Alluran against a part of Enweil's forces, the remnants of Luz de Bia's armies and a small seceded realm with little military might... what a brave war you fight. I predict that somewhere down the line, you'll be pushing Plergoth and Sint to start the war with Enweil again, just to keep us away from the south... you are not warriors, you're weaseling politicians, and if there is one thing I hate, it's a politician. I spit on you, your banners and your dead. -Pizarro

Hm...maybe it should be mentioned that Riombara and Fwuvoghor had a defensive alliance for a rather long time. That was cancelled and replaced by a rather hostile intent without comment. I think that is defined as 'breaking an alliance'...And I'd like to get some more facts straight: This war was started by Enweil and Luz against Riombara - more than 2:1. When it was 'luz against all her enemies', Luz had an income base of nearly the same than her enemis combined, including the fact that Fronens capital was far away. Now its Riombara against Luz (both have the same income base), aided by Alluran on our side, and Irombrozia plus Enweil on the other side. If that is your picture of a fair fight...or of an 'overwhelming Riombaran advantage'...grin. Lastly - I do not spit on both Enweils or Luz' dead. They are courageous warriors - only our governments have differences in view on several matters. Thats about it. If you feel the need to spit on our dead - your choice.

You missed a few allies it seems. What about Old Grehk? They invaded our land in force to keep us away from the south, supported by assassination attempts on our nobles. Thalmarkin has already declared war on both us and Luz de Bia. Fronen is also deeply involved. Fronen and Old Grehk are superpowers much like Enweil. So yes, I would call Riombara + Fronen + Old Grehk + Alluran (+ Thalmarkin) vs Luz de Bia + Enweil + Irombrozia (who are more of an ally of opportunity anyway) an overwhelming Riombaran advantage. This war is bigger than the battles near Grehk, friend. I don't know much about the history of this war and how it started, but as a great philosopher once said: 'In war, truth is the first casualty', so I'm cautious when listening to such arguments. They do not concern me. All I see is the manner in which this war is waged, and judging by the numbers your side is throwing in, your idea of honorable combat is involving as much allies of yours as possible. Brute force, nothing else. -Pizarro

Why is someone from Enweil telling us not to fight RoF? They want to protect an ally, sure, that's understandable, but they do not seem to realise that is it that ally who attacked Riombara, our ally. And really, this could, and perhaps should, have been an act of war against the alliance, against Fronen. Siding with Iromboriza, RoF is also, in a way, declaring war on Fronen and her allies. This does not seem like a wise move to do. Iromboriza used to have my sympathy, but declaring war on Riombara made them look incredibly stupid (and now that I think about it, opportunist), and now convincing RoF to side with them against Riombara. This is not a simple "it's our land" thing, it's an outright act of war. Review this policy, fast, or the whole of Fronen might just want to do away with you once and for all, along with the rest of the CCA who just seems to like to pick at our allies. On a side note, I must say Avalon's involvement in the west in incredibly distastfull. Involving themselves in a conflict against our allies, even though it's in a way that doesn't break the treaty, just calls for retribution, which would also not break the treaty. -Chénier 18:30, 5 January 2007 (CET)