Talk:Redspan Revealer/March Edition 2007

Respect

You guys must be mad...ASI has never broken a treaty with RedSpan...but this is like the 3rd time you guys do--that immeidately comes to mind anyway. Each time you do it is while ASI is extraordinarly busy with other affairs. This low blow is truely disturbing. My only hopes are that those that respect treaties see the dishonor in your actions, and pay you a little visit until you cease these senseless hostilities. Truely, one of many things that seperate man from animal, is Diplomacy. I do not think Da One wishes for you all to literally become Goats while living as Human beings. Doc's Revenge

Yes, because stealing Byblack, Roegshore and Sullenport when Redspan was extraordinarily busy with other affairs was such an honourable thing to do. And taking the islands from Abington while they were extraordinarily busy with other affairs was such an honourable thing to do. And I recall a plot to split Redspan's lands between ASI and Abington. And there was a time that ASI attacked Redspan in order to gain Ambermel when Redspan was in tense relationships with multiple other realms. And the list goes on. I don't recall any time that ASI has ever been particularly honourable. Diplomacy is fine and dandy, but when negotiations for what we want met with flat denial, there is a time that aggression is the only logical course of action.

Riiiight...I suppose that it was totally and completly dishonorable to give Sullenport back to RedSpan, not once, but twice. Only to be backstabbed, not once, but twice...we're definately the bad guys here. ---Hyral

I might note that the more recent time was only after stealing an additional two cities (including the second largest one on the map) from our ally. Which also allowed MI and Talerium to steal a third city for Kybcyell. Additionally, it forced Abington to leave the war to our north, which forced us to break off our war, and enabled CE to arbitrarily take more than half a dozen regions from Carelia. Furthermore, the original offer to buy Roegshore, which would have been up for negotiations was in the range of 10,000 gold plus trade agreements.

And what does all that have to do with Sullenport being given back to RedSpan twice? Carelia has reclaimed most if not all of her regions as far as I know, Kybcyell is dead and has been for a while as far as I know...and we didn't want to sell a region, it's our right an independent kingdom to not do what we don't want to do. But in the end, none of that changes the fact that after we gave the city back, and RedSpan turned and stabbed us in the back...again. ---Hyral

The RedSpaniards can't say beans on this matter. They know they're acting like scum, so they try and talk about ASI/Abby affairs...when they weren't even privvy to such matters. Abington was busy BECAUSE OF US when we took the Islands. It was a war over a treaty that was BROKEN with ASI. However, those damages are in the past, and we enjoy a rather GOOD relationship with Abington. However, the Goats always want more than they deserve...fine...ya'll will learn the hard way what it is not wise to backstab a neighbor...especially one that had defeated your realm in EVERY major war we've battled. This is what we get for giving Sullenport over to ya'll twice. Once a Traitor, always a traitor, I guess. My mistake for lobbying in favor of better relations with RedSpan while I was king. I hope Malice doesn't make the same mistake. Doc's Revenge