Talk:NeoSartania

Realmbox template

You have 168 Duchies? ;) - Bart 23:53, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Really, they want you to use these templates, because they adjust themselves, only they do not work properly. The same as our largest city is Ibladesh, probable the largest in the game, but on FEI there is no Ibladesh. --Roy 07:55, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

That's a really odd bug in the template. Maybe has something to do with the fact that the realm has only one region, and it's a city? I'll have to see if I can figure it out. --Indirik (talk), Editor (talk) 12:32, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually it's a two region realm. Mahsakon and Idaol. The template is completely innacurate.--Antonine 13:09, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Fixed the Idaol problem. The number of Duchies and Largest City is beyond my scope though. --Dagoriad 14:11, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I am not very familiar with the Semantic coding and that kind of things, but if there is anything I can do, just let me know. --Roy 14:18, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, I found the bug. Unfortunately, it's not in the template, but in the semantic wiki itself. I may be able to fix the template to work around the bug, but that won't fix the underlying problem which could be throwing off a lot of other stuff. I have sent a message to the Devs about it but I think that Tom is the only one that may be able to fix it. --Indirik (talk), Editor (talk) 20:43, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Miscellaneous

So, um, does this realm actually exist? Because I can't seem to see it on the political map. Vellos 04:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Vellos, yes the realm exists. It is based in Masahakon, FEI. --Roy 08:21, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

NeoSartania

Seriously. Guys, what the hell. --Aerywyn 08:07, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I need something more than "what the hell", can't work with that. :) So, what's up? --Roy 08:16, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

When I saw the treaties I thought NeoSartania was a "working title"... oh boy my shock when I saw that it now looks to be set in stone... please tell me I'm wrong there? Please? Even just "Sartan" sounds like an intimidating name, and you could then talk about the metaphor that the realm is the body of Sartan and "here is Sartan's allegorical fist coming down on your head". --Aerywyn 08:44, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, I have to disappoint you. It is really the name of our new realm. Personally, I have to get used to the name myself. But believe me, it is really hard to find a good name for a realm that is in fact an old existing realm. It need to have some connection with the old realm, and the church of Sartan. And we could hardly name our realm after, for example, Niel. A city which is holy to the Church of Sartan and was the capital of Sartania. But if you know a better name, please submit it. As I received the same reactions on IRC when we had a discussion about the new realm of Sartan. --Roy 09:01, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah... its just the Neo that gets at me. Reeks of Beluaterra. I am actually warming to simply "Sartan"... oh god... horrible... --Aerywyn 09:08, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I must second Aerywyn on this one. In my opinion, this has gotta be one of the lamest of names ever seen in BM; no offense to anyone. :) The alternatives I can think of (and that have connection to Sartan himself) are Sartanorum, Sartanerra, Holy Kingdom of Sartania...or something along those lines. --Dagoriad 09:11, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't say that I do not agree with you. But we voted for the name, and most of the votes were placed on NeoSartania. Then I must say that the choices we had weren't the best. However, Nova Sartania had my preference. You know, like Carthago Nova. And I like the Carthaginians. But a new ruler will soon be elected soon, and I'll see if there is any possibility for a name change after some time of good consideration about possible names. --Roy 09:30, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Considering how much time the Sartanians were homeless I am slightly surprised to hear that you didn't have enough choices for the name. :P Likewise, I am pretty sure the name can't be changed so I guess you're stuck with it. --Dagoriad 10:33, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

We were busy fighting a war, and gaining ourselves a new home. Realm-names are last minute things. :) And if we are stuck with it, I am sure to get used to it. --Roy 11:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

One more question if I may...why did you guys choose democracy for the government? Theocracy would sort of be natural choice. It is a bit strange to have a democracy which has a state religion. Not very democratic, IMO. --Dagoriad 11:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

It is at this point that, were I less mature, I'd be saying "hurr durr 21st century idea of democracy". Medieval (and earlier) democracies are against the threat of tyranny, not the fair rule for all and sundry. Now let me ask you, is the USA truly a democracy? Regardless of what you say it can be argued that pot is a drug that is banned but alcohol is not. Both do harm to the body. If we changed that from beer and weed to religions, you have a comparable situation. As an addendum, slaves were allowed in Athenian democracy. --Aerywyn 13:31, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't live in the USA so I can't really care what it is. :) However, you have a good point. Still, for a religion which is as ruthless as Sartanism (he is the god of war after all) it is simply a stretch too much to have that work with any sort of democracy. Especially since the religion in medieval age had much more importance and influence than nowadays, to a point where I don't it is comparable. --Dagoriad 13:57, 8 June 2010 (UTC)