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==Statement from Tom==
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I'm not too happy about this page, though I think the idea is good. Please, make very, very sure it is edited well and kept updated. A better idea might be to teach people how to sort and search in the bugtracker. For example, to find known bugs, you could filter for Status = confirmed or assigned.
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--[[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:21, 15 August 2006 (CEST)
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::I've been thinking of writing a "how to use the bugtracker" article for a while, I've just never gotten around to it. --[[User:Nicholas|Nicholas]] 14:41, 15 August 2006 (CEST)
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::I completely understand your concern, Tom, and I will definitely do my best to keep this page updated.  I also agree with your sentiment: I think that it ''would'' be best to teach everyone to use the bugtracker.  The problem with the bugtracker, though, is that most people are just going to look at it and think, "Oh, this is for coders.  I'm not a coder, so I'm not even going to bother."  A Wiki page, on the other hand, is something everyone can understand.  I think that it will make for a lot fewer angry and confused people, especially as it is designed to bring together only those bugs that actually have a visible and significant effect on the game--which not all bugs do. --[[User:Danaris|Anaris]] 20:57, 15 August 2006 (CEST)
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:::Then please update more regularily. The appointment bug has been set to resolved on the bugtracker for days now. --[[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:02, 17 August 2006 (CEST)
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::::It was marked as resolved on 8-3, but I saw it in action on 8-7...granted, this was in stable, but you made no notation on the bug filed when that happened when you closed it that it was fixed in testing and not in stable.  If it was, indeed, just a matter of not having moved the fix to stable, then I'll happily update it. --[[User:Danaris|Anaris]] 17:45, 17 August 2006 (CEST)
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==Template==
 
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: Well I made a [[Known Bugs/Template:Bugs|template]] which would have to be embbeded into the page like on the [[Realm Pages]]. For now to distinguish between Major and Minor bugs I just decided to make the names of the major bugs bold, and emphasise the minor bugs but you could make a separate table for each category if you liked. Then just edit the template for each section when you needed to add/remove something - [[User:Revan|Revan]]
 
: Well I made a [[Known Bugs/Template:Bugs|template]] which would have to be embbeded into the page like on the [[Realm Pages]]. For now to distinguish between Major and Minor bugs I just decided to make the names of the major bugs bold, and emphasise the minor bugs but you could make a separate table for each category if you liked. Then just edit the template for each section when you needed to add/remove something - [[User:Revan|Revan]]
 
::I don't think that the bugs should be listed in a table. It's not really tabular data, I personally prefer the current format. But it is a pretty table. :-) I'll try and come up with a template of my own. --[[User:Nicholas|Nicholas]] 23:05, 13 August 2006 (CEST)
 
::I don't think that the bugs should be listed in a table. It's not really tabular data, I personally prefer the current format. But it is a pretty table. :-) I'll try and come up with a template of my own. --[[User:Nicholas|Nicholas]] 23:05, 13 August 2006 (CEST)
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:::Yeah; I don' think the table is the best way of representing this information.  I like Nicholas's template--thanks a lot, Nicholas!  --[[User:Danaris|Anaris]] 00:20, 14 August 2006 (CEST)
  
 
==Location==
 
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:For now, I've put it under [[Miscellaneous#Development]], but I do think it wants to be somewhere more noticeable... --[[User:Danaris|Anaris]] 19:39, 13 August 2006 (CEST)
 
:For now, I've put it under [[Miscellaneous#Development]], but I do think it wants to be somewhere more noticeable... --[[User:Danaris|Anaris]] 19:39, 13 August 2006 (CEST)
 
:Where on the front page do you think it should go? (You might want to leave a note on my user page if you reply to this. I don't check the wiki very frequently.) --[[User:Nicholas|Nicholas]] 22:44, 13 August 2006 (CEST)
 
:Where on the front page do you think it should go? (You might want to leave a note on my user page if you reply to this. I don't check the wiki very frequently.) --[[User:Nicholas|Nicholas]] 22:44, 13 August 2006 (CEST)
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::Whatever you do, do '''not''' put it on the front page. It doesn't belong there and I will remove it if I see it there. We don't need any more rubbing-in-your-face to feel bad about the many bugs, and it doesn't help anyone. Whoever wants to find this information, will. The search box is in the navigation bar. --[[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:23, 15 August 2006 (CEST)
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:::Okay, It didn't really seem to fit anywhere on the front page anyway. --[[User:Nicholas|Nicholas]] 14:37, 15 August 2006 (CEST)
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::::I think the point is that more people check the wiki than the bugtracker. Perhaps we should get a message to everyone to check the bugtracker before they plan anything big? --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 16:34, 15 August 2006 (CEST)
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:::::Come on, the game's not '''that''' buggy. --[[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:02, 17 August 2006 (CEST)
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::::::Sorry, I didn't mean it to sound like that. But I had a big rebellion planned (still do) and were it not for the fact that there was a slightly less important rebellion I was also having a hand in, I wouldn't have known that it wasn't gonna work, and this has happened to quite a few players now, that they didn't know and a wiki page such as this could prevent more mishaps like that (becoming rogue is a big deal). --[[User:The1exile|The1exile]] 17:44, 17 August 2006 (CEST)
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== Severity of bugs ==
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I moved the Imperial Marshal appointment bug from Major to Minor.  It is, indeed, a block, but it's not something that seriously impairs the normal function of the game the way the rebellion and secession bugs are.
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I think that anything that can be reasonably ignored or worked around (as the lack of Imperial Marshal can be) should be classified as minor. --[[User:Danaris|Anaris]] 01:49, 5 November 2006 (CET)

Latest revision as of 01:49, 5 November 2006

Statement from Tom

I'm not too happy about this page, though I think the idea is good. Please, make very, very sure it is edited well and kept updated. A better idea might be to teach people how to sort and search in the bugtracker. For example, to find known bugs, you could filter for Status = confirmed or assigned. --Tom 14:21, 15 August 2006 (CEST)

I've been thinking of writing a "how to use the bugtracker" article for a while, I've just never gotten around to it. --Nicholas 14:41, 15 August 2006 (CEST)
I completely understand your concern, Tom, and I will definitely do my best to keep this page updated. I also agree with your sentiment: I think that it would be best to teach everyone to use the bugtracker. The problem with the bugtracker, though, is that most people are just going to look at it and think, "Oh, this is for coders. I'm not a coder, so I'm not even going to bother." A Wiki page, on the other hand, is something everyone can understand. I think that it will make for a lot fewer angry and confused people, especially as it is designed to bring together only those bugs that actually have a visible and significant effect on the game--which not all bugs do. --Anaris 20:57, 15 August 2006 (CEST)
Then please update more regularily. The appointment bug has been set to resolved on the bugtracker for days now. --Tom 17:02, 17 August 2006 (CEST)
It was marked as resolved on 8-3, but I saw it in action on 8-7...granted, this was in stable, but you made no notation on the bug filed when that happened when you closed it that it was fixed in testing and not in stable. If it was, indeed, just a matter of not having moved the fix to stable, then I'll happily update it. --Anaris 17:45, 17 August 2006 (CEST)

Template

I would greatly appreciate it if someone more knowledgeable than I in the ways of the Wiki could make some sort of template for the bugs, so we could put in name, description, and number, and it would come out looking nice. --Anaris 19:15, 13 August 2006 (CEST)

Well I made a template which would have to be embbeded into the page like on the Realm Pages. For now to distinguish between Major and Minor bugs I just decided to make the names of the major bugs bold, and emphasise the minor bugs but you could make a separate table for each category if you liked. Then just edit the template for each section when you needed to add/remove something - Revan
I don't think that the bugs should be listed in a table. It's not really tabular data, I personally prefer the current format. But it is a pretty table. :-) I'll try and come up with a template of my own. --Nicholas 23:05, 13 August 2006 (CEST)
Yeah; I don' think the table is the best way of representing this information. I like Nicholas's template--thanks a lot, Nicholas! --Anaris 00:20, 14 August 2006 (CEST)

Location

Anyone have any good ideas about where this page should be linked from? To be the most useful, it ought to be linked as prominently as possible--even from the front page, but that, I believe, needs the OK of an Editor and/or Tom... --Anaris 19:15, 13 August 2006 (CEST)

For now, I've put it under Miscellaneous#Development, but I do think it wants to be somewhere more noticeable... --Anaris 19:39, 13 August 2006 (CEST)
Where on the front page do you think it should go? (You might want to leave a note on my user page if you reply to this. I don't check the wiki very frequently.) --Nicholas 22:44, 13 August 2006 (CEST)
Whatever you do, do not put it on the front page. It doesn't belong there and I will remove it if I see it there. We don't need any more rubbing-in-your-face to feel bad about the many bugs, and it doesn't help anyone. Whoever wants to find this information, will. The search box is in the navigation bar. --Tom 14:23, 15 August 2006 (CEST)
Okay, It didn't really seem to fit anywhere on the front page anyway. --Nicholas 14:37, 15 August 2006 (CEST)
I think the point is that more people check the wiki than the bugtracker. Perhaps we should get a message to everyone to check the bugtracker before they plan anything big? --The1exile 16:34, 15 August 2006 (CEST)
Come on, the game's not that buggy. --Tom 17:02, 17 August 2006 (CEST)
Sorry, I didn't mean it to sound like that. But I had a big rebellion planned (still do) and were it not for the fact that there was a slightly less important rebellion I was also having a hand in, I wouldn't have known that it wasn't gonna work, and this has happened to quite a few players now, that they didn't know and a wiki page such as this could prevent more mishaps like that (becoming rogue is a big deal). --The1exile 17:44, 17 August 2006 (CEST)

Severity of bugs

I moved the Imperial Marshal appointment bug from Major to Minor. It is, indeed, a block, but it's not something that seriously impairs the normal function of the game the way the rebellion and secession bugs are.

I think that anything that can be reasonably ignored or worked around (as the lack of Imperial Marshal can be) should be classified as minor. --Anaris 01:49, 5 November 2006 (CET)