Talk:Family Pages/old2

Ok the former family page is a bit of a mess. Do we want to have rules on the template of this portal page is to look like? I think Family/Clan name list of characters and a denotation of rulership, deceased, or retired for each character is sufficant. I think alphabetical as well.

I do like Lorens set up however.--Eric S P

Actual history not a good look.

It looks a little lengthy and cluttered with just a short veiw of my family history. I think we should keep it small. Family name and a character list... maybe character list and number of rulerships.--Eric S P

Can we do this better?

There's got to be a better way to organize this page than over rulership. (Nevermind that the "Versatile Families" section is a tad on the self-serving side) Why not organize them by their home island? There could easily be sub-organizations (such as for rulership) and such. --Dolohov 2 August 2005 20:30 (CEST)

Most everyone on EI?

First this was Lorens Idea and it was I that moved everyone (Loren's included) to the Versatile Families. I had to have my arm twisted (mostly by Tom) to even participate in the Tiki. So self servering... sure if that is the way that you want to look at it.

Now Home island is just bad. Unless I completely misunderstand how it works, you have to have X amount of gold in family money and be lucky and watchful to move the family estate and the majority of people that really get into there realm and game don't tend to take from there realm in hours of need, or are on islands that can't send money home if they are able to without hurting there realm.

So even a smaller protion will be able to be on a island that they like and most everyone will be on EI or Atamara. That would suck. If you want rearrange the order and put the Ruling and Versatile Families on the bottom. It is far better than island homes. I will not likely ever go back to EI and that is not representative of my family.

Or Straight alphabetical, I don't care... just Lorens way has a lot more flair, and that is somewhat what the game is about.--Eric S P

Actually, Atamara is the winner in home world count:

+-----------+----------+
| HomeWorld | count(*) |
+-----------+----------+
|      NULL |       25 |
|         1 |      294 |
|         2 |      496 |
|         3 |       41 |
|         4 |       16 |
|         5 |       23 |
|         6 |       87 |
|         7 |       36 |
+-----------+----------+

--Tom 2 August 2005 23:09 (CEST)

I hadn't realized just how skewed the home islands were, or I wouldn't have suggested it, but the point is that there really ought to be a better way to organize the family listings than by how many rulerships a family has had -- if you're going to do that, you might as well just organize by how old the families are. Why not go with a more roleplay-style, and create Associations to which people can place themselves (selecting only one, and maybe forming their own):

• The Old Oak Association is a list of the strong and hardy families. The Old Oak relies on a strong foundation of long and honorable service. It rejects infiltration, and views with distrust bankers and merchants of all types.
• The Notched Sword Association is a list of the battle-hardened families of the South Islands (although many families are based elsewhere) They value military discipline over all other virtues, and believe that the only position worth holding is that of General or Marshal.

... that sort of thing. The individual associations might sub-divide themselves according to the number of rulerships or generalships held, naturally, but this way we avoid having a handful of old-timers at the top, and then a huge mass of (relative) newcomers at the bottom. (And I know it's Loren's idea; When I said "Self-serving" I didn't mean "ESP-serving" but the old-timers in general. I just think that there's a better way to do it, that will result in a more even organization and make the whole thing a little more interesting.) --Dolohov 3 August 2005 01:04 (CEST)