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:Some "minor" oversight. Anyway, thanks for the reminder. -- [[User:Gsklee|Gsklee]] 12:29, 20 May 2007 (CEST)
 
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You removed the Army Sponsor point, but isn't that what note 12 "the exact criteria for a successful army are unknown" was for?  I don't want to delete a note if it's still useful.  Out of curiosity, why'd you remove this one?  I checked careful research and the lemon pages and didn't find anyone with a counterexample.  Just not sure enough of it?[[User:Westgate|Westgate]] 19:16, 8 July 2007 (CEST)

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Don't ask for a page merge

See Talk:Fame#Format Rollback. -- Gsklee 08:19, 7 December 2006 (CET)

Width?

Not sure about you, but to me, it seems like this box is way too narrow...checked on both Firefox and Safari. Each of the columns only seems to have room for 1 word, so it's just single words going down. --Anaris 19:36, 7 December 2006 (CET)

The syntax is correct, but I haven't completed the box fully yet, and that is why it looks weird. Check back again once it's done and you'll know =) -- Gsklee 19:44, 7 December 2006 (CET)

Errors

There's an error. Sponsoring an army doesn't gain you fame. I've sponsored 3, 2 in Beluaterra by Hireshmont, 1 in Atamara by Onliana. Vellos 02:46, 31 December 2006 (CET)

Oh, nevermind, just checked my fame. I seem to have gained 3 fame points out of the blue... Vellos

There's no error... Click on the green Fame point and it will lead you to a note stating the additional requirement. -- Gsklee 23:35, 4 January 2007 (CET)

Question

I was wondering...for offices such as region lord or duke, do you have to hold it for a number of days before earning the fame or what? --J 19:43, 4 January 2007 (CET)

No, you should get the fame point immediately. For some fame points, you need to wait for the next turn change, or full turn change, but I don't think this is one of them. In any case, it's not like the ruler fame, where you get some after 10 or 100 days. --Indirik 19:49, 4 January 2007 (CET)
That's weird then...1 turn has passed since my character became duke...and I still haven't got fame points for that...o_O]]...--J 21:08, 4 January 2007 (CET)

Unknown Famepoints

Doesn't it strike you as odd that almost all experienced families have about 3 fame points unaccounted for? Sometimes 2 or 4, but almost always 3. Strange coïncidence I'd say. Clearly they are bound to something that comes with time, as it is only the case with older families. Either it is age, or it is skill, or maybe # days in one realm... Age could be likely, although I only have two characters old enough to actually matter. Skill might be likely too, but I thought you could only get a skill-fame once, and that it counted for all skills. Though skill can be possible as I reached with leadership, bureaucracy, swordfighting and infiltration an amount higher than 50%. That could take account for those three extra points... # days in one realm sounds unlikely, I only have one character that can fall in taht category, unless you already get a point for just 1 year.

Any ideas? Foreign Curs 16:32, 13 January 2007 (CET)

No ideas mate. I will list myself as one of the "experienced" as well, but I only have one unknown point so far. -- Gsklee 05:46, 15 January 2007 (CET)
Actually, I don't think time has anything at all to do with the proliferation of unknown points in older families. I believe that it's because Tom has added fame points retroactively, and these older families received lump sums of fame for uncertain events, rather than seeing them slowly accumulate as they achieved identifiable triggers for the fame. Incidentally, after three years, I don't have any unidentified fame... in fact I think I may be short fame. (I should look into that) -- Murakama 20:00, 10 April 2007 (CEST)

Outcast?

Are you sure you get a fame point for that? I've seen a family with plenty of bans yet 0 fame. Where'd you get that fame idea from? -Chénier 18:20, 8 April 2007 (CEST)

Example
This is a bad example. The family linked above has accumulated few bans (only 4 as of now), and no individual has accumulated more than 2 bans. If this is a fame point, the criteria would most likely be the number of concurrent bans for an individual family member. Since bans are dropped when you emigrate, they would all have to be for the same character and gathered without being deported or emigrating. I don't know if this is really a fame point, but this example doesn't illustrate the point either for or against. --Indirik 19:34, 10 April 2007 (CEST)
I think it is for the new exile option TOM has created, not for multiple bans. Fredrich 20:58, 8 April 2007 (CEST)

I'm reasonably sure Tom has said that this is not, in fact, a correct identification of a fame point. I've also seen no conclusive evidence that it is a fame point. --Anaris 18:35, 10 April 2007 (CEST)


This point isn't really that hard to achieve; the fact people tend to emigrate to "wash away" their bans is the main reason it remains undiscovered for too long. Get an infiltrator to stab around several realms on Atamara or Beluaterra and it won't be long before you see it. Also it was implemented somewhere around 2005 or 2006 so some very old cases might not apply if by the time of the implementation the character was already deported or killed. -- Gsklee 22:48, 12 April 2007 (CEST)

Death Fame

Seems like there are criteria on honour/prestige; one of my characters was tortured to death (for low h/p characters) and there is no this so-called "Death Fame". -- Gsklee 22:39, 12 April 2007 (CEST)

Your first character death? -Chénier 01:11, 13 April 2007 (CEST)
There isn't a H/P requirement, but it may be that this bug has struck again. I'm still missing normal death fame when my char died with around 50/20. --The1exile 01:25, 13 April 2007 (CEST)
There was a lot of discussion based on the idea that getting tortured to death due to low honor doesn't get you the fame point. I'm not convinced that this was ever resolved one way or the other. The bug was closed without any changes being made, and no comments by Tom on the bugtracker. --Indirik 04:27, 13 April 2007 (CEST)
"Secondly, I also thought the fame did not come because Santiago was "Tortured to Death" but I spoke to Tom, and he said, the code should not differintiate between the two. Something funky happened...and I'd like for it to eventually be fixed." --The1exile 13:14, 13 April 2007 (CEST)
Second-hand information. Since we know neither what Tom was told, or what Tom said in return, we have no way to judge that either person fully knew what was happening. If someone was tortured to death with low honor, and they didn't get the fame, then they need to post a new bug report. That's the only way this is going to get resolved. --Indirik 17:13, 13 April 2007 (CEST)
I'd like to point out that the message that someone was publicly tortured to death is not a result of using the torture option, but the execute option. The message is dependent on whether or not they are an outlaw (and therefore their honour). I think that it may be intentional that executed outlaws don't get the fame. Think about it, what would fame hunters start to do with their adventurers if it got them fame to have them killed? --Bannable 21:48, 13 April 2007 (CEST)
Well, it was Tom who changed being executed to being the fame to having died. I don't know about advys. I am, however, quite sure that yopu should get fame however you die. --The1exile 23:31, 13 April 2007 (CEST)
The "Death Fame" existed long before the implementation of the adventurer game, probably was already there when the Fame system was first on. Definitely nothing to do with Fame Hunt, but for a proper threshold - it seems reasonable to me if the point is only awarded to ranks above "Noble". Though it is also worth to point out Tom's comment on Fame page didn't mention any specific requirements:
  • 1 point for being killed as a non-hero (usually by execution)
So if anyone has had cases like a Noble or above got executed but there was still no Fame, then the likelihood of a bug increases. -- Gsklee 06:21, 14 April 2007 (CEST)
I'm still missing death fame from Widfara dying (yes, he was a noble). --The1exile 15:06, 14 April 2007 (CEST)

Update?

The page claims to be synchronous with the Fame page, but it hasn't been for a month. I understand this is presumably the point of repute fame that Tom added, but shouldn't the total be updated to 51 and the missing point either be added as repute, or added to the unknowns? Westgate 01:05, 20 May 2007 (CEST)

Some "minor" oversight. Anyway, thanks for the reminder. -- Gsklee 12:29, 20 May 2007 (CEST)

You removed the Army Sponsor point, but isn't that what note 12 "the exact criteria for a successful army are unknown" was for? I don't want to delete a note if it's still useful. Out of curiosity, why'd you remove this one? I checked careful research and the lemon pages and didn't find anyone with a counterexample. Just not sure enough of it?Westgate 19:16, 8 July 2007 (CEST)