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I like the Indirik best with the Amz second.
 
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I like them both because of the simplicity of design.  These are symbols that are going to be put on armour (hence must not be too hard to reproduce) and banners that must be recognizable from a distance.
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I like them both because of the simplicity of design.  These are symbols that are going to be put on armour (hence must not be too hard to reproduce) and banners that must be recognizable from a distance. [[User:Faracan|Faracan]]

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I like Meandor's the best, with m2rt and grinninglemon's first one next - they seem more like real banners than some of the other more photoesque creations. --The1exile 14:14, 5 September 2007 (CEST)


I really like LilWolfs and Devercia banners. --Jaune


My vote goes to the Devercia banners for Morek and Madina and LilWolf for Pian en Luries. As for non-realmspecific entries, I like the submissions from Exclude and grinninglemon. -Andrasta 14:21, 5 September 2007 (CEST)

Well actually, it does say Springdale on mine..as i made it quite a bit smaller than it was to begin with, i guess it can be hard to spot. Althought i did say i could easily change the text on the front of the pic, im not sure it goes against the rules to say i can change something after its submitted --Exclude 15:33, 5 September 2007 (CEST)

For me it's, Metsamees. The first one which looks like a head piece and Meandors. Can't put a finger on why but, Metsamees is one of the few banners that look aggressive, a war torn realm, one that (hopefully) will add something to the island. As for Meandors, it's well crafted and looks like an effective banner, symbolic and artistic. Although it is some what comparable to Devercias, and as much as they came first, I believe Meandor has done a better job in making his banner more identifiable in comparison to Devercias. Oh yeah, but mines still the best ;-). --JonniT 14:35, 5 September 2007 (CEST)


I like Shenron's submissions so I'm voting for him. --Abdul Latif 14:53, 5 September 2007 (CEST)


If i am to vote for something else than my own, i guess i'll vote for Uceek's one. It really does fit for Pian en Luries --Exclude 15:56, 5 September 2007 (CEST)

I think Uceek's sword and rose is too good not to get in. Malitia 16:30, 5 September 2007 (CEST)


I like Excludes for Springdale, Uceek for Pian, Meandor for Madina and the orange one of Shenron's for Morek. Crazylozda 16:58, 5 September 2007 (CEST)


Hmm I like Devercia`s banners and Meandor`s banner --M2rt 17:04, 5 September 2007 (CEST)


Well of course i like my own hehe. i am dissapointed my original one didnt make it, but i can see why i wouldnt have made it.

As for voting and what not i must say i like Exclude's it has a nice look to it and the Icon matches well.

I liked the one devercia made for Morek. i think though that he could have done something else rather than put it on a pole, also i like the look of his icon but perhaps a different shape? something that would look a lil nicer under a realm name.

Shenron has a nice look and definitly matches one of the monarchies, But the shield edges look too sharp almost out of place, perhaps softening the edges a lil.

As for Madina, which is seemed to me very difficult to make a banner for, i liked Nosferatus's banner, its got the right idea and its pretty simple. however the name on the ship draws too much attention towards the right side combined with the sails it makes the picture unbalanced, perhaps centering the name or putting towards the Left side even more, or even taking it out.

I had likes the idea of The1exile's picture from the good submissions page, a shame it didnt make the specifications.


Best of luck to you all --Grinninglemon 20:13, 5 September 2007 (CEST)


A little disappointed that mine didn't get through.. any reasons why?

I really like the Pian from Uceek. Thegep 22:26, 5 September 2007 (CEST)

yours had a nice look before you changed the fist, when you added the gradient it become more of a focal point but overpowered the rest of the image somewhat. In my opinion it looked better before the change. --Grinninglemon 22:52, 5 September 2007 (CEST)
So did I, but I got a heap of private messages saying "It's a black hand! Everyone will only think of Avamar and the Black Hand!" I tried to explain that it wasn't, but I finally caved to pressure. Obviously to my own detriment. Thegep 23:21, 5 September 2007 (CEST)

I like the Icon within Meandor's; It is a very differant aproach from my own. I decided to use more patterns as most people focus on icons but Meandor's is clear enough and artistic enough to bypass the usually cliche.

Grinninglemon's sunburst also caught my eye, but the pattern on the edge is broken.

BTW on the original submission page my icons are differant, and have been for awhile, than what is shown here, they are brighter and have been given boarders.

My attempt was to create a realistic banner with realistic colors. A lot of the others seemed to use the brightest possable colors while I wanted something more faded, like real dye or paint, the icons exempt from this ofcourse. That was the largest turn off for me personally. The second was the proliferation of unrealistic swords, a long standing pet-peeve of mine, however that is nothing to say for the banners themselves.

I was very pleased how my madina banner turned out. I especially liked the red and yellow with the green stripe, and am now regretting not makeing a whole flag from based on that. On that note Nosferatu's banner is nearly identicle in color scheme and I like it alot. What I don't like so much about it is the previously mentioned script on the hull, and the overly bright colors. If the script had to stay I would have made it smaller incircleing the inner boarder of the sun on the top, and adding a bit more script like "Regnum Madini."

The quality on Uceek's is fonominal, but i don't much care for the style(I'm surpressing my hatred for fantasy swords, so thats not part of this oppinion) It reminds me of the kind of print i would see on an American Eagle or Aeropostle shirt, or even as some bumper on Adult Swim. THe removal of the gradiant would almost entirely change my oppinion though

Johno88's is simular in my oppinion, good, but doesnt' look like a banner, more like stonework.

Many of the others do though, however some I question the source material, especially on those that did not mention it.

--Devercia 00:18, 6 September 2007 (CEST)

Borders on such small pictures doesn't really work that well. I actually like the icons in here better than the ones with borders..I assume Tom thought the exact same thing ;)
--Exclude 00:10, 6 September 2007 (CEST)

Wow, top 20. Its great to have made it this far, and congratulations to everyone who has. It feels good to see my banner surrounded by good entrants so no matter the outcome from here I'm very please.
I vote for myself, of course! ;)
But I also really like Reapers, Rondolo and Exclude's banners.

I agree that source material should be confirmed before announcing winners. I have not really any sources for mine, but I will give a mention to Air Force Medicine for inspiration (http://airforcemedicine.afms.mil/public_affairs/afms_graphics/pages/AFMSA-shield%20-%20small.html). --Uceek 04:13, 6 September 2007 (CEST)


I also wouldn't have minded some feedback as to why the one I submitted wasn't considered good enough for the cut, but oh well. A blow by blow list of impressions for the finalists. I would consider that a banner has to be something that can unite people, be a symbol they can follow either in diplomacy or onto a battlefield. Basically it has to have the capacity to inspire the people of the realm, be something to focus on.

M2rt) Plain. Very Plain. Simplicity can be a good thing, but this is too much of a good thing. I can't see any symbolic nature here and the bottom part looks unbalanced.

Grinninglemon) The sun is certainly nicely done and stellar bodies are always good for a featured element though the border I'm only so/so about. The second symbol is also nice but I'm not entirely sure what (if anything) it's supposed to represent.

Oszero) No way. Too much complexity. As opposite to the first banner as you can get, that tree is just over the top and not what I would expect to see on a banner or coat of arms. For a gallery sure, for a national emblem you expect something more stylized.

LilWolf) I rather like these ones. Simple colours and the elements of the banners aren't overly simple or complex. The icons are a little blurred being simply reduced versions of the banner though, especially the third one just doesn't really work.

Exclude) Nice. The lettering looks more like pringbal than springdale but I'm sure that could be cleaned up. The scrollwork is a little busy but it reduces well to the icon giving the central image that would be fixed in most peoples minds. This would probably be my choice for Springdale.

jonno88) Agree with the comment above on this one, it's not a banner, it's stonework. The implied raised and lowered sections giving it a 3 dimensional appearance just mean it couldn't feasibly happen on a banner. And the icon (which is far more visible to most people) is simply impossible to make out.

Indirik) I must be the only person who isn't fond of the whole include the pole the banner is hanging on style. I think it just draws attention away from the banner where it should be. Aside from that I do really like this banner. Simple, effective (that sun thing again combined with mountain outlines), and the icon isn't simply the banner reduced to insensibility. I'd put this down as my choice for Pian en Luries.

Devercia) As I said above, I'm not a fan of the poles included in the banner. Still these actually look like they could be real medieval banners. Not too keen on the first, it makes me think of a backgammon board and a beachtowel I used to have. Too ordinary and the icon is once again very blurry. The second though is good, gets the impression across well although the icon could use a little more contrast to make it more distinct. I'd take this one for Morek.

Shenron) I'm sure I'd find these more impressive if almost the exact same image wasn't already being used for Sartania on FEI. Aside from that the bird is nice, but the second one puts me off because all I can tell is there is lettering there in some foreign language, no doubt some famous confucian saying or something which while pithy isn't what I'd normally consider the basis of a national standard. Again the icon on the first needs more contrast to stand out and the scrollwork is really really complex (pity the poor weavers who have to make this banner).

Metsamees) Not sure what I think of these. The inversion for the icon was definitely a good move on the first one, you wouldn't be able to see anything otherwise. Again though the texturing on the first makes it look more like a wood cutting rather than a cloth banner. The simplicity of the second one appeals to me and it also scales well to the icon, I'd have this as a secondary choice for Pian en Luries.

Rondolo) Good uncomplicated banner. Perhaps just a little bit bright and once more with the 3 dimensional objects. Raised borders aren't such a problem on this one though, they could simply be layered fabric sewn over top of the other shapes. Not really convinced by the green background framing, but it would make a reasonable alternative for Madina.

Reapers Family) The sword is a little bit too fantastical. We're talking medieval here, not fantasy realms, combined with the dragons it's just a bit too much. And do I have to say it again? Put some actual thought into the icon, don't just shrink the banner down to illegibility. More people will see this than will see the realm banner and it is one more smudge.

Uceek) Solid colours make for banners (highlights acceptable). It's very nice artwork and with a printing press could be viable, but to do it on a banner would be simply impossible. The dot of red does make the icon somewhat discernable but perhaps simply the rose itself would be more recognisable?

Amz) Traditional martial theme. Banner looks to be just a little out of balance, the swords don't quite seem to be in the right positions. Swords are reasonable otherwise, the border on the shield is rather too shiny.

Nosferatus) Easily the best of the Madina banners chosen in my opinion. And what's more some thought was even put into the icon! It is readily associated with the main banner without simply being a reduction thereof. Restrained use of different colours, no excessive shading and complexity. My preferred banner out of all, first choice for Madina.

Meandor) Ok, I've already talked about poles being shown on the banners. I'm not especially keen on either horses or fish so perhaps I'm biased here, but even though I know that thing really is a mythical creature and not just made up by the artist it still looks especially foolish. It'd either drown or starve in very short time and I'd feel almost obligated to chop off its head and put it out of its misery. That aside it's a rather effective banner and the icon blessedly is recognisable. Still I just can't get past the horse/fish thing.

Anyway take all this with a grain of salt, I'm not and never have been at all artistically blessed and know it (function is far more important than form!). None of this is meant to be harsh and I tried to be constructive where I could but as said by Montgomery Burns: "You know, I'm no art critic, but I know what I hate." Feel free to disagree with me :P --Faulcon 04:42, 6 September 2007 (CEST)


I like the Indirik best with the Amz second.

I like them both because of the simplicity of design. These are symbols that are going to be put on armour (hence must not be too hard to reproduce) and banners that must be recognizable from a distance. Faracan